Rumoured/Confirmed Signings and General Drivel XV

[Someone]

"Those who drink the water should not forget who dug the well...."

old men die, and the world keeps spinning.

History is relevant to the fact that its yours. Before your time its a just a collage of pictures, videos, memories that arent yours and opinions you couldnt possibly form by yourself with an already set precedent from the past.

I was born in 93. I couldnt possibly tell you how brilliant Sterling was just because i watched highlights of grand finals and listened to old people talk about him. Thats their history.

Jarryd Hayne is the greatest player i have ever seen play for Parramatta by default and hence my opinion handed down to the later generations will be just that,until they dispute me that Player X is far greater and the Sterlings and Kenny's and Price's are just a name in a history book that google would struggle to find.

 

[emjaycee]

old men die, and the world keeps spinning.

History is relevant to the fact that its yours. Before your time its a just a collage of pictures, videos, memories that arent yours and opinions you couldnt possibly form by yourself with an already set precedent from the past.

I was born in 93. I couldnt possibly tell you how brilliant Sterling was just because i watched highlights of grand finals and listened to old people talk about him. Thats their history.

Jarryd Hayne is the greatest player i have ever seen play for Parramatta by default and hence my opinion handed down to the later generations will be just that,until they dispute me that Player X is far greater and the Sterlings and Kenny's and Price's are just a name in a history book that google would struggle to find.

I am saddened by your post and your failure to see that history forms who we are today, whether in family, community, country, globally or even the Parramatta Eels.

I am not disputing the fact that your personal history is only what you witness and can form an opinion on, but don't discount history just because you didn't see it.

 

[Someone]

I am saddened by your post and your failure to see that history forms who we are today, whether in family, community, country, globally or even the Parramatta Eels.

I am not disputing the fact that your personal history is only what you witness and can form an opinion on, but don't discount history just because you didn't see it.

I dont fail to see how history forms us at all, but i dont even know where my family, on either side, resided in the 17 or 18 hundreds. History only gets us so far, infact it only gets us to the present. It cant take us beyond the current moment we are in.

I dont discount it, i just dont recognize it as what has molded me to what i am today.

What do you want me to say, Sterling was our greatest player because its everyone else's opinion and them old days were much much better? I honestly cant give you an opinion on him. Im not going to go back and get every video of him and analysis him and pretend like im in a position to make a judgement. If it were that simple, id just refer to the stats.

 

[Someone]

By the way, I'm a realist in a philosophical sense.

 

[Eels Dude]

I am saddened by your post and your failure to see that history forms who we are today, whether in family, community, country, globally or even the Parramatta Eels.

I am not disputing the fact that your personal history is only what you witness and can form an opinion on, but don't discount history just because you didn't see it.

I don't think there was a failure of him to see anything, and I perfectly understand where he's coming from. I'm not as young as Someone but still young enough I missed the glory days of the 80's, and also never got to watch such players star. Even if I watch replays of old matches I don't think I'll ever be able to rate players of the past because the game has changes so much since then and now. You can pass down knowledge, but I can't see at all where he was dismissing previous history, anyone is going to have a different outlook depending on how long they've supported the club, including whether they've experienced the highs/lows etc.

 

[emjaycee]

I dont fail to see how history forms us at all, but i dont even know where my family, on either side, resided in the 17 or 18 hundreds. History only gets us so far, infact it only gets us to the present. It cant take us beyond the current moment we are in.

I dont discount it, i just dont recognize it as what has molded me to what i am today.

What do you want me to say, Sterling was our greatest player because its everyone else's opinion and them old days were much much better? I honestly cant give you an opinion on him. Im not going to go back and get every video of him and analysis him and pretend like im in a position to make a judgement. If it were that simple, id just refer to the stats.

Buddy, my comment was more in reaction to your first 2 paragraphs in reply to what you quoted from jono "Those who drink the water should not forget who dug the well...."

I agreed that you can't form an opinion on something you didn't see.

 

[Someone]

Buddy, my comment was more in reaction to your first 2 paragraphs in reply to what you quoted from jono "Those who drink the water should not forget who dug the well...."

I agreed that you can't form an opinion on something you didn't see.

Fair enough, my main issue with the quote is more to do with the onus being on the guilt of us drinking the water instead of the elders teaching us how to make our own well. But we are already way off topic.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I agree that just because we weren't there to experience history doesn't mean we shouldn't be interested in it. We owe it to ourselves to get informed about what happened before.

I'm not sure we owe our ancestors anything though. Surely our responsibility is to our descendants.

#PayItForward

 

[Eels Dude]

I agree that just because we weren't there to experience history doesn't mean we shouldn't be interested in it. We owe it to ourselves to get informed about what happened before.

I'm not sure we owe our ancestors anything though. Surely our responsibility is to our descendants.

#PayItForward

Well said Poupou, I'm well aware of the fact we won the 1981, 1982, and 1983 premierships even though I wasn't born then.

 

[strider]

its completely and utter impossible for anyone to compare players from different eras ... thats why I always have a little chuckle when people try and order our top 5 players etc ..... i think all you can do is say people like thornett, sterling, price, kenny, hayne, etc are our best ever, no particular order - they are ones that starred in their times

 

[Gronk]

its completely and utter impossible for anyone to compare players from different eras ... thats why I always have a little chuckle when people try and order our top 5 players etc ..... i think all you can do is say people like thornett, sterling, price, kenny, hayne, etc are our best ever, no particular order - they are ones that starred in their times

Exactly. They were the best of their era. Let's leave it at that.

Comparing eras is a flawed process. For example, I could easily say that Serena Williams would have beat Ken Rosewall or Rod Laver.

 

[Noise]

its completely and utter impossible for anyone to compare players from different eras ... thats why I always have a little chuckle when people try and order our top 5 players etc ..... i think all you can do is say people like thornett, sterling, price, kenny, hayne, etc are our best ever, no particular order - they are ones that starred in their times

I disagree. For example, Hayne is a better player than Andrew Fitzhenry and Paul Cariage. Hopoate is a better player than Scott Mahon and Michael Ericson

 

[The Elephant In The room]

Exactly. They were the best of their era. Let's leave it at that.

Comparing eras is a flawed process. For example, I could easily say that Serena Williams would have beat Ken Rosewall or Rod Laver.

If you don't say it, she'll call you a racist merkin.

 

[TheRam]

I dont fail to see how history forms us at all, but i dont even know where my family, on either side, resided in the 17 or 18 hundreds. History only gets us so far, infact it only gets us to the present. It cant take us beyond the current moment we are in.

I dont discount it, i just dont recognize it as what has molded me to what i am today.

What do you want me to say, Sterling was our greatest player because its everyone else's opinion and them old days were much much better? I honestly cant give you an opinion on him. Im not going to go back and get every video of him and analysis him and pretend like im in a position to make a judgement. If it were that simple, id just refer to the stats.

You do realize that learning from history, if one is wise enough, can altar and even dictate ones future decisions right?

Look around you, you might be surprised at what history has taught you and how you behave because of it.

 

[TheRam]

P.s. I think Hayne has more skill then all of our previous greats. Whether he will be considered the best of all time will largely depend on the team we can assemble around him over the next 6 or 7 years and injuries.

 

[Joely01]

If it means anything to this discussion, my pop who had watched everyone come through the grades at Parramatta since the late 40s
I remember him saying to me a couple of years ago that Hayne is the most naturally gifted and best player he has seen play at Parramatta. I think this was around 2010, he just said he needed to be more consistent and believe how good he is.
I'm happy to take his judgement, as he had watched everyone come through until last year.

 

[Gronk]

P.s. I think Hayne has more skill then all of our previous greats. Whether he will be considered the best of all time will largely depend on the team we can assemble around him over the next 6 or 7 years and injuries.

Actually I think Hayne will miss the boat unless they stop picking him on the wing in Origin. Also it seems that you only become a true great when you win a comp. I don'[t agree with it, but it seems to pan out that way.

 

[jono]

Someone , who you are today is a result of everything that's happened to you in the past 22 years. Likewise for society and the world in general. And even though our club has been in the doldrums for too long , the basis of its culture has been hewn by every Parramatta player that has contributed even the smallest amount for the past 68 seasons. I obviously don't know you personally , I don't know what your hopes dreams beliefs are , but I do know that whatever these are , they are a result of how your parents , grandparents and those before them have tried to teach you. You can't escape it , you are a product of history.
I'm sure this as general drivel as it can get......

 

[TheRam]

Actually I think Hayne will miss the boat unless they stop picking him on the wing in Origin. Also it seems that you only become a true great when you win a comp. I don'[t agree with it, but it seems to pan out that way.

I think his wing days are over, even at rep level.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

I disagree. For example, Hayne is a better player than Andrew Fitzhenry and Paul Cariage. Hopoate is a better player than Scott Mahon and Michael Ericson

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