Rumoured/Confirmed Signings and More Crap XX

[Obscene Assassin]

Also, I'm a bit puzzled/disappointed that we're reportedly paying more for Foran than the Titans are paying for the more highly-rated Manly half.

If DCE is more highly-rated than Foran why aren't Manly putting as much pressure on DCE to reneg on the deal? Or is it only because Foran is going to Parra?

 

[Avenger]

Also, I'm a bit puzzled/disappointed that we're reportedly paying more for Foran than the Titans are paying for the more highly-rated Manly half.

Which is why we sign their under 20's half Kane Elgey and offload a very expensive halfback like Sandow with flaws in his game.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

1.6 million to spread between 7 players isn't that much IMO

You could still spend $900k on 2 good players. And then the rest of the spots equates to roughly $140k per contract, which you could sign some journeymen on and potentially upgrade some juniors.

Hopefully with this money we are looking to extend Nathan Davis' and Josh Aloiai's deals though.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

If DCE is more highly-rated than Foran why aren't Manly putting as much pressure on DCE to reneg on the deal? Or is it only because Foran is going to Parra?

It's certainly debatable who Manly wanted to keep more, and it's become a bit fashionable lately to rate Foran more desirable than DCE, but before all the hoohaa most reputable judges rated DCE the superior player. And Sterlo himself rated Foran the better player. ;-)

Which is why we sign their under 20's half Kane Elgey and offload a very expensive halfback like Sandow with flaws in his game.

I dunno. I would never want Sandow running the show, as much as I love him. But if he had a really good halves partner and a good set of forwards then he can create opportunities that few others can. What's this Elgey like?

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Which is why we sign their under 20's half Kane Elgey and offload a very expensive halfback like Sandow with flaws in his game.

An under-20's half will also have flaws in his game.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

It's certainly debatable who Manly wanted to keep more, and it's become a bit fashionable lately to rate Foran more desirable than DCE, but before all the hoohaa most reputable judges rated DCE the superior player. And Sterlo himself rated Foran the better player. ;-)

The fact that Manly are putting so much pressure imo proves who they would rather keep. People are pretty much split between the two, both have their strengths and their weaknesses and play a different style of game, I don't think there's any doubting that both are in the top echelon of halves in the current game.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

The fact that Manly are putting so much pressure imo proves who they would rather keep. People are pretty much split between the two, both have their strengths and their weaknesses and play a different style of game, I don't think there's any doubting that both are in the top echelon of halves in the current game.

I don't think Manly are putting pressure on. It's Peters and Johns, mostly. The CEO or whoever has already said he's basically resigned to losing both. I agree though that the last few weeks it's seemed like they want Foran more, but we don't know why that is. Maybe they thought he was cheaper/more loyal/less disruptive/whatever. They're only one club. One viewpoint.

My point is that overall DCE is probably still the higher-rated player yet we're paying significantly more for Foran than for DCE to move to a strife-torn club in another state (admittedly his home state).

 

[Craig Johnston]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...eels-continue-to-rebuild-20150320-1m3nks.html

i'm in a bit of conflict with sewards comments here.

"Don't believe everything that's out there about the dollars we've paid for Kieran," Seward said. "He made a call that he wanted to come to Parramatta, we put in what we felt was a reasonable and fair offer and he accepted it. We didn't get into a bidding war over it."

like, but did he really need to say it? will it backfire with round 13 rule?

"We can keep everyone that we want to keep but we won't be overpaying for anyone," Seward said. "If it's out of our market or out of our price range, then so be it. If it's to be where we believe market value is, we'd love to keep them. We're not going to get into bidding wars for players. If they are a player we want and we think they're required, we'll pay what we think we need to pay. If that means we lose some, then that's something we have to accept. We're not going to stuff our salary cap position up because of that.

"Chris has come through Parramatta's darkest days of playing behind a beaten pack and playing for multiple coaches. He's now in a stage where he has the opportunity to play behind an outstanding forward pack with a coach who is going to be here long term and you're seeing the results he's producing. He's well and truly required from our perspective."

"My personal view was that there wasn't a view to the future," Seward said of the previous management. "If you go back a few years when we bought some players towards the end of their careers and paid a lot for them. I would have preferred we had taken a punt on three or four local juniors. I don't think anyone went out of their way to destroy the salary cap, so to speak, but the outcome has been that it was an absolute mess. We're going to pay for it in a period of time and we have paid for it in losing some players.

"There was clearly no philosophy on how the cap was going to work outside of a year-to-year scenario and clearly there were a lot of short-term decisions made that weren't successful. You add to your team by bringing in veterans like Choc Watmough. You don't build a team by bringing veterans in to fill a hole."

i get he's trying to be irreverent but alot of this wasn't necessarily. disclosing retention negotiation tactics is just asking asking other clubs to come and plunder and the comments about past sins of recruitment veterans on big contracts and then bringing up choc doesn't make any sense

 

[Craig Johnston]

1.6 million to spread between 7 players isn't that much IMO

it could if 3 marquee players took new backended deals eg 3 x 400k = 1.2 (rising up to 600-700 in later years - seemingly how some of the sandow and hoppa numbers now are being reported) and the 400k remaining between 4 was spread across promoted juniors and decent reserve

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Thanks Kearney, Osborne, Spagnolo, Bentley and Stuart :crazy:

Don't forget Fitzgerald, Taylor, Hagan and Anderson. Blokes under short term pressures make short term decisions.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

That's $1.6M under the cap. Hayne would be $800-900K under the cap. (the rest would be third party). Would rather him and sign another forward (Beau Scott or Ryan James) and a centre like James Roberts. The rest I would make up from our juniors.

If Sandow and Hopoate are on $700k-$800k under the cap Hayne would be on double that.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Just a fun guess:

$400k hoppa
$400k Sandow
$250k lussick
$150k pauli
$150k wicks
$200k Brad T

Leaves $150k, it might be needed for Davis depending whether he accepts a 2 tier contract or not.

We need to sign lussick/wicks or get similar replacements as we are bit light on for props if they leave.

Not sure how correct that article is.

Anyhow I am starting to thinking it's a waste keeping both norman/Sandow. While norman could go ok at fullback he is probably wasted back there. I would like to keep Sandow but I think from a squad balance is probably best we didn't resign him and look for a decent centre, $300-400 would get us something decent. It would also make us lot stronger defensively. While I think Hoppa is good enough at fullback.

1. Hoppa
2. Semi
3. Brad T
4. New signing
5. Rookie junior
6. Foran
7. Norman

That is a fair backline.

 

[Eelementary]

I hope this doesn't happen, but...

I was told that we are interested in getting James Tamou. The Orr family are good friends with my best mate, and it seems over a friendly beer-fuelled BBQ, things were said.

Take it as you will.

I HOPE it's not true.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Well, obviously depends on price, but I don't see that as a disaster. Though, Sam Burgess would be a more amusing signing.

 

[hineyrulz]

Massive no for Tamou, he was a soft pea heart before he injured his neck. Failed to earn his pay check off the back of one great season. Last night he made Brendan Oake look like Shane Webcke.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I hope this doesn't happen, but...

I was told that we are interested in getting James Tamou. The Orr family are good friends with my best mate, and it seems over a friendly beer-fuelled BBQ, things were said.

Take it as you will.

I HOPE it's not true.

Lussick for half the price or less is better value

 

[whall15]

Just a fun guess:

$400k hoppa
$400k Sandow
$250k lussick
$150k pauli
$150k wicks
$200k Brad T

Leaves $150k, it might be needed for Davis depending whether he accepts a 2 tier contract or not.

We need to sign lussick/wicks or get similar replacements as we are bit light on for props if they leave.

Not sure how correct that article is.

Anyhow I am starting to thinking it's a waste keeping both norman/Sandow. While norman could go ok at fullback he is probably wasted back there. I would like to keep Sandow but I think from a squad balance is probably best we didn't resign him and look for a decent centre, $300-400 would get us something decent. It would also make us lot stronger defensively. While I think Hoppa is good enough at fullback.

1. Hoppa
2. Semi
3. Brad T
4. New signing
5. Rookie junior
6. Foran
7. Norman

That is a fair backline.

I don't think that Sandow and Hopoate would play for 400k unless we got some pretty massive TPAs for them. In spite of their other attributes, Foran and Norman would probably have one of the weakest kicking games in the comp.

 

[Avenger]

If Sandow and Hopoate are on $700k-$800k under the cap Hayne would be on double that.

Remember when I told you about Sandow's contract being back ended and you ventilated that topic for a good month. You drive me crazy you bastard.

 

[Avenger]

Lussick for half the price or less is better value

I'd let Lussick go and go after Ryan James or Beau Scott.

 

[I bleed blue & gold]

I'd be keen to get Scott, not so much Tamou.