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Rumoured Targets 3

perverse

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Gagai and Finucane are fine players but not what we need. And the money they want is business we should steer clear of. We have been bitten many times before. Not cos the players aren’t quality but the injuries they are at risk of.
For sure. Gagai fills a need, but at a ludicrous price. He's way over-valued in the market, no thanks. A wide running backrower that actually provides more than a hitup merchant is the other spot I'd be looking to fill. Tbh I think we've all expressed this or similar sentiment over the past couple of months. It seems pretty obvious.

I'll add to my last post too, if Pearce and Clifford continue to combine well and build on their combination, and Pearce is willing to stay on that reduced contract beyond 2022, I'd be willing to extend him another 12 months or maybe even 2 years at that price. The current halves combination, with Brails and Ponga filling out the spine, has looked very promising. Pearce left to just steer the ship, run and chime in with the boot at $600k is a hugely different proposition to having to do literally everything at $900k. When you consider what other clubs are paying for halves on the market, I actually think we're getting a good deal at that point. You're doing much better than Ben Hunt or Chad Townsend at their current contract value, that's for sure.
 

perverse

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Beyond obvious it’s a back rower we need.

we seem set on playing Mann at centre so it’s literally the only massive hole.

Barney needs to move back to 13 too.
We'll just have to see how Mann goes at centre, I guess. Also whether Young ends up developing into a centre or stays out wider. I just don't want to see us fall into the trap of relying on kids with potential to make it to form a complete squad again.
 

Burwood

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If our spine combine well for the final rounds of the season, I wouldn’t be surprised if Pearce’s contract is upgraded and extended for 2022-23.
 

slotmachine

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"not a dynamic, ball-running, match-winning forward"
"given he is closing in on 30, he's not coming into his prime"

sign me up!

also as others have said, what are the coaching staff and other senior players doing if we need to go out and pay a premium for blokes that know how to prepare?

if fans are dark on what klem is doing at the moment finucane and his 120m and 25 tackles a game will send them into a rage. but he's a good bloke and a better trainer, or something.
 

perverse

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"not a dynamic, ball-running, match-winning forward"
"given he is closing in on 30, he's not coming into his prime"

sign me up!

also as others have said, what are the coaching staff and other senior players doing if we need to go out and pay a premium for blokes that know how to prepare?

if fans are dark on what klem is doing at the moment finucane and his 120m and 25 tackles a game will send them into a rage. but he's a good bloke and a better trainer, or something.
Off field stuff counts for something, and toughness and impact on the field has a value as well as raw numbers. HOWEVER - it's unavoidable that it feels like we're stacking way too much of the cap into the pack with very little incentive to do so. We're not getting beaten in the middle - and even at our shittest this year, that hasn't been our biggest problem by a mile.

Klem has looked better since being put on the bench, too. He has lifted his impact game a bit, there's a bit more venom and intent in his runs. I still think we're paying a bit of overs for him, but tbh I wasn't ever one to sit here and say he's a shit player or doesn't offer something to the team - just that we're not quite getting the player we thought we were buying at the time (and that I miss that scary, angry bastard). The Safs continue to go from strength to strength - we have a tonne of battering rams in the team.

Friz has one backrow spot on lockdown whenever he's fit, fill the other one with someone who offers something different. I do think we're seeing a lot more out of the team as a whole since getting the spine finally together - and it can probably be attributed to a whole bunch of things all aligning at once really. I've spoken about belief this year, and you can see that the team has it again with Pearce and Ponga back on the field. The one percenters have come back, the scramble. They actually believe they can win again - and a lot comes off the back of that.

I'm still of the opinion that we're not quite there yet mentally to bring this sort of attitude no matter who takes the field, and that we need to get there. You can't really manufacture belief, though. Comes through hard work and earning it on and off the field. This is the area where filling your team with Finucane types might make sense... if you weren't already dumping a tonne of cash into the pack, and didn't already have a bunch of the same type of player that produce similar on the field. As I said, something will have to give somewhere, or the squad may fall apart a bit and start to look pretty unbalanced in 12 or 24 months time. Watson may end up being the first domino toward that, but we'll have to wait and see.
 

perverse

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And just a bit more on the above - I think AOB was quoted a month or so ago in a presser saying something like "I underestimated how much the injuries would affect us". At the time, I kinda rolled my eyes and just sorta thought of it as a copout. Looking back, and reading between the lines a bit with his selections and whatnot since, I can't help but think it was somewhat of an admission that stuff like Mann as a half, and Tex Hoy in general haven't measured up to what he wanted or expected from them.

Obviously he can't say it in those words, and I don't excuse O'Brien persisting with the nonsense as long as he did either, but coming from systems where the next man up always came in and did the job - I can only imagine it has been a bit of a slap in the face for him to realise that sometimes the guy that looked good in reserve grade and on the training paddock actually is just a plodder. As a coach, he's also probably learning a lot about the real genius of a Robinson or a Bellamy in how they've constructed these sorts of cultures at their clubs. It's probably not always so obvious when you're on the inside - but hard to miss when you suddenly don't have it. This is probably another nuance to why we're so hard on Finucane. Not saying it's right in our case, more just exploring the thought process.
 

Knight Tales

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For sure. Gagai fills a need, but at a ludicrous price. He's way over-valued in the market, no thanks. A wide running backrower that actually provides more than a hitup merchant is the other spot I'd be looking to fill. Tbh I think we've all expressed this or similar sentiment over the past couple of months. It seems pretty obvious.

I'll add to my last post too, if Pearce and Clifford continue to combine well and build on their combination, and Pearce is willing to stay on that reduced contract beyond 2022, I'd be willing to extend him another 12 months or maybe even 2 years at that price. The current halves combination, with Brails and Ponga filling out the spine, has looked very promising. Pearce left to just steer the ship, run and chime in with the boot at $600k is a hugely different proposition to having to do literally everything at $900k. When you consider what other clubs are paying for halves on the market, I actually think we're getting a good deal at that point. You're doing much better than Ben Hunt or Chad Townsend at their current contract value, that's for sure.
There is a skip in Mitch’s step with Clifford here now. He has been freed up to run and that could be the catalyst for our run to the finals. Prayers.
 

Mr_Knightside

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This has been an interesting discussion over the last few weeks.

On Watson, I think he’ll stay. Seems like he’s got his roots growing down pretty deep here and he’s got great connections at the club now as well as off the field projects. I see him as sort of the 5th member of our spine. He doesn’t have a clearly defined role like the others but his impact off the bench has been really good. I just hope another club doesn’t offer him big money and a starting spot somewhere, because I can’t even see that working long term tbh. He’ll probably end up back on the bench eventually. I hope he decides to stay for a bit less than what he might get elsewhere.

I’m definitely cooling on Gags, if he’s after $600K then I’d rather we sign 2 other outside backs for $300K each.

Finucane I can see the upside. I get that it seems weird that our guys would still need to learn how to prepare but the more career professionals you can bring into a team then the more the culture will improve. I don’t think we should be throwing $800K at him which seems to be the number doing the rounds but maybe $600K and it’s a good deal. Although the numbers need to stack up, I don’t know what we’ve got left in the cap but I hope we can squeeze a half decent back rower in there too.
 

Spot On

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There is a skip in Mitch’s step with Clifford here now. He has been freed up to run and that could be the catalyst for our run to the finals. Prayers.

One of Mitchy's strengths is definitely not his running game.

Clifford can rid him of all responsibility now, especially kicking, but even then I can't see him being a big threat running the ball.
 

macavity

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One of Mitchy's strengths is definitely not his running game.

Clifford can rid him of all responsibility now, especially kicking, but even then I can't see him being a big threat running the ball.

10 years ago he was a good running half. Not now.
 

Spot On

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He ran at all the wrong times v the Cowboys. Not sure what he was trying to achieve. Didn't help the team at all.
 

Zoidberg

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Most stories I see about Finucane (apart from Toohey) don’t mention us in the race. I think we’ve made him an offer but won’t change from that. If he wants it, it’s his call to make.
I really hope we keep Watson. He can break a game open, he puts in the effort and does 1 percenters.
 

Allstar Knights

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I do think an edge backrower should be a big priority, but I'm all for getting Finucane at the right price too. I know we look good for middles but I still think he'd add a lot for us on and off the field.
 

BuderusIsaBeast

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I agree with everyone on Finucane. Great player but not a need for us and a terrible use of cap space.

With the way the game is going I see Watson as a starting 13 or Atleast playing 60 minutes a game. With the rules teams benefit from multiple playmakers and Watsons link play on the middle of the field is great. He is a massive priority imo.

Regarding edge back rower, I would be happy to let Fitzgibbon go and give Jones that role. I believe he would do the job and we could use the extra cap elsewhere.

I’m not big on Gagai but if we need a experienced centre he is the best on the market. Not much else unless we want to go Hopoate or Dugan. 600k no chance but if we can get it done to 500k or closer to 400k I’m happy with it.

1 Ponga
2 Hunt (solid and cheap)
3 Best
4 Gagai/Hopoate
5 To’a/Young
6 Clifford
7 Pearce
8 Klemmer
9 Brailey
10 Saifiti
11 Frizell
12 Jones
13 Watson
14 Mann (great utility and can spell Watson)
15 Barnett (I think a bench role would suit him)
16 Saifiti
17 Sue
 

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