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As a Knights fan Smith was twice the coach Bennett was. Made necessary and unpopular changes that had us playing a good brand of football. Unlike Bennet who stacked the sides with older players looking for short term success and then buggered off when the money dried up.
I always roll my eyes at people that say Smith tried to kill the club. He's one of the very few coaches I've seen in my lifetime that could turn absolute nobodies into good first grade players.

That podcast 'The Knighted' whinge about him all the time
 

Loose Cannon

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AOB is literally the top of the “coaches under the most pressure” media articles and discussions every single year. He’s consistently under pressure, probably more so than any other coach in the comp.
So he should be. He shouldn’t be getting two different extensions without improving our style of play. Or even adapting our style of play.

Note the back end of our seasons against our starts. Tell me he hasn’t acquiesced halfway through when he has failed at the start.

He plays the Bellamy gameplan without the freak options of Billy Slater, Cooper Cronk, etc. to accommodate the mediocrity of his grunts who follow the instructions. We can be electric, but we are boring in the majority.

There is a reason we scrape in just barely. It’s because 9 other coaches haven’t worked that out either.

Maybe he should focus on an early start.
 

Woody90

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So he should be. He shouldn’t be getting two different extensions without improving our style of play. Or even adapting our style of play.

Note the back end of our seasons against our starts. Tell me he hasn’t acquiesced halfway through when he has failed at the start.

He plays the Bellamy gameplan without the freak options of Billy Slater, Cooper Cronk, etc. to accommodate the mediocrity of his grunts who follow the instructions. We can be electric, but we are boring in the majority.

There is a reason we scrape in just barely. It’s because 9 other coaches haven’t worked that out either.

Maybe he should focus on an early start.

I don’t think anyone will ever really know why he suddenly decided to change our style between 2023 and 2024. To me that was the most baffling thing from last year. It could be that he was stubborn in wanting to follow a particular game plan, or for all we know it was a result of the form of the players. Hastings had broken down and Brailey was coming back after consecutive ACLs. Hard to play expansive football when your playmakers are so slow the opposition can smother the play before the ball can even get to your strike players. I’d say it’s likely a combination of both as my issues with AOB are mainly tactical.

I’m very keen to see what style we play to start the year. From all reports all the spine options have had full pre seasons so that can’t be an excuse this year.

Tbh I find us a hard side to get a read on and what we need to do to improve. I think most of the “experts” feel the same too as they all basically have a different opinion of who we need to pick in the halves and what style we should play.

I think whoever we pick in the halves will give us a good idea of what style we’re aiming for. If it’s some combination of Cogger/Gamble/Crossland/Hastings I’m expecting more of a grinding style. If someone like Sharpe or Pryce (less likely) are named, I think that’s a pretty good indication we’re aiming for a more attacked minded game plan.
 
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Not the point. He should be under immense pressure but seems to get a free pass after we went 10 in a row. Should be looking for replacements and making long term plans.
A. It is the point. You can't sack a coach and then appoint someone worse. Completely defeats the purpose

B. He is already under a fair bit of pressure, has been for years and has still kept the team in the top 8. It's not like we are finishing bottom 4 consistently
 

Rod

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Apparently we were talking to young Warriors prop Zyon Maiu'u before the Bulldogs snapped him up. If true that at least tells me we're targeting the right kind of replacement for Leo.
 

PhilGould

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The Newcastle Knights intend to make a six-year, $6 million-plus play to try and sign off-contract Parramatta playmaker Dylan Brown provided the gun No. 6 is genuinely interested in a switch of clubs.

In a move guaranteed to have Parramatta powerbrokers nervous, Newcastle’s football department has been discussing if the Knights should have a genuine crack at trying to prise Brown out of the Eels.

With an asking price of up to $1.2 million per season it’s a major call for any club to entertain the value set on Brown by his management.

Currently signed at the Eels until the end of 2031 – albeit with a couple of asterisks in the contract – the Knights deal will need to be from 2026 until the end of 2031.

Newcastle are OK with this.

Any Knights negotiations will be contingent on Brown being serious about making the move from the Eels to head to the Hunter where he could form a lethal playmaking combination with gun fullback Kalyn Ponga.

Brown is currently believed to be on a deal worth around $850,000 this season before being upgraded to over $1 million in the coming seasons at the Eels.

This will mean for the Knights to land Brown’s signature they’re going to have to sharpen the pencil and table a deal worth well in excess of $1 million a year.

The Eels have only got themselves to blame for Brown currently being a free agent with the club agreeing to insert two get out clauses in his eight-year contract until the end of 2031.

Under the terms of the deal Brown has until round 10 this year to inform the Eels if he will be remaining with Parramatta beyond this season.

In a further bizarre contract twist, Brown has another get out clause prior to round 10 in season 2027 meaning he can tear up the final three years of his blue and gold contract from 2029 to 2031.

Whichever way the Eels try to spin it this is simply a bad deal.

Newcastle have been searching for answers in the halves since the departure of Mitchell Pearce and are yet to land on the right formula to take the club to the next level.

This year Jack Cogger, Will Pryce, Phoenix Crossland, Tyson Gamble and Jackson Hastings are all options in the halves as the Knights push to make it into the finals for a third straight season.

Brown, 24, clearly still has enormous upside as a playmaker having already featured in a grand final for the Eels, played 131 NRL games and eight Test matches for New Zealand.

There’s a strong argument Brown owes the Eels given the way the club has looked after him through off field incidents and suspensions.

The Eels have also gone above and beyond in terms of trying to develop Brown as a player and ensure he’s got strong family support around him.

But it’s clear Brown’s management intend to test the waters after agent Chris Orr sent an explosive email shopping the five-eighth to all 16 rival NRL clubs last month.

On the flip side the prospect of Brown uniting with Newcastle fullback Ponga could ignite the Knights attack and may turn the playmaker’s head.

Whichever way it goes what Parramatta can ill-afford is a contract circus around Brown once the new season kicks off.

Eels new coach Jason Ryles faces the ominous assignment of travelling to Melbourne for round 1 on March 8. Talk about a welcome to first grade.

Storm coach Craig Bellamy has never lost a round one fixture in his time at Melbourne dating back to when he started in 2003.

The Eels are busily trying to strike a deal with Brown to remain in blue and gold but the Knights interest will be of major concern.

 

Knight Tales

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It is really a case of pull the trigger now. Or wait for further disappointment. He is far from the worst insurance signing we could make. The club must know something to 1. Offer close to the asking price and 2. To offer a deal of that length. O’Sullivan must rate the kid if this actually is an accurate report.
 

ryan.a87

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End of the day, we are loosing Hastings 800k salary and adding Brown for 200k more

we will get much much better value out of Brown over Hastings

we will also most likely be getting rid of
Brailey approx 700k
Maybe Elliott? 600-700k

we have money to spend, and we need to pump it into the halves
 

Mr_Knightside

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There’s risk with any big money signing but I think we need to take a shot this time. It always seems like whenever an elite & established player is on the market we’re nowhere to be seen, and that’s how we’re constantly ending up with the Coggers of this world.

If we have KP + Brown on the roster together and make it’ll give us the best shot at a premiership since 2013, maybe even since the Joey years.

At the end of the day I’d rather we over spend a little bit on proven talent rather than continuing to overspend on plodder.
 
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6 years is ridiculous for Brown. We don't even know how he's going to be after his ACL injury...

That's the type of contract I'd be offering to a Nathan Cleary not a Dylan Brown ffs
 

Yosh

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6 years is ridiculous for Brown. We don't even know how he's going to be after his ACL injury...

That's the type of contract I'd be offering to a Nathan Cleary not a Dylan Brown ffs
So would everybody else but Cleary ain't coming to us. We need to spend the cap anyway. What's available apart from Brown? 6 years is pretty crazy though.
 

Woody90

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Just what's needed. Another over priced, inconsistent space cadet who believes his own hype.
Partially torn ACL is the cherry on top.

Im coming around to it tbh. No it’s not the perfect signing but there’s literally nobody else available and like someone else said, you don’t get a prize for not using your salary cap. For all the ACL talk, he plays most games a season. Yes it could go but with our luck anyone we signed will no doubt pick up an injury anyway.

The part I don’t like is the 6 year contract, but sometimes you need to try something crazy to be in with any chance when the likes of the Roosters are also keen.

Serious question: who would you target with the money freed up from those coming off contract in 2026?
 

ryan.a87

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According to zero tackle, these are the five eights off contract end of this year

Kurt Donoghoe, Adam Doueihi, Kieran Foran, Te Maire Martin, Jaeman Salmon, Josh Schuster, Cody Walker, Ryder Williams

And these are the halfbacks
Jake Arthur, Daly Cherry-Evans, Jake Clifford, Tom Duffy, Jackson Hastings, Drew Hutchison, Sean O'Sullivan, Niwhai Puru, Adam Reynolds, Brad Schneider, Toby Sexton, Blake Taaffe, Chad Townsend

none of these guys are going to bring any type of long term success to the club, so a gamble on Brown is probably worth it

and only players of note off contract end of 2026 are Lachie Galvin, Hughes and Wishart
…..I’m too impatient to wait two years just incase one of these guys wants to move to us
 

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