Rumoured Targets 3

[Dr Dr Gimedanews]

I'd rather sign Brown on 1.3 than a whole heap of bad contracts out there.

Tino
Fifita
Cam Murray
Hynes
Mitchell
AFB

All on 1 million or more and a terrible waste of cap. ( no forward is worth a million IMO. I'd spend that on the spine)

1.3 for a 25 yr old, International, that's played in a GF, and has all the skills to take us to one, in a market where there just arent enough playmakers to go around - good deal . We'll have him at the peak of his powers over the next few years.

 

[HarVeeGee]

Yep.

Tino as a middle forward has literally a 100% chance of not being worth the same money by the end of his deal.
Fifita the million dollar bench player.
Really like Cam Murray but I think his playing style has started to catch up with him.
Hynes the touch footy player with the weak mentality.
Latrell the ultimate luxury player who you can’t rely on to not get himself an 8 week suspension.
AFB’s deal is a massive risk, could go off a cliff at any moment.
I’ll toss in Nanai, making $900K to play QCup this weekend.

I would personally be willing to pay Payne Haas, Isaah Yeo and probably Carrigan $1 million, but factor in that in saying that that I think the true value of Ponga relative to other players is about $2 million.

Brown’s contract is only an “overpay” in this weird tortured logic NRL contracts operate under where a “million dollar player” allegedly “distorts” your cap too much, even though most of the players expected to start in the halves or at fullback every week make $5-700K or more even if they’re not very good.

I saw some Souths fan saying that the Brown deal makes them feel better about them paying both Ilias and Lewis Dodd $700K (and they’ve paid more than half freight to punt Ilias) and I can’t wrap my head around it… Dodd looks for all money like a complete flop.

Most reasonably talented prospects in the spine gets paid at least $5-700K before they’ve proven anything, and most of those guys don’t really pan out. Are people really telling me paying $1.3 million a season for a proven very good half - most people seem to value him around $900K, over 120 games of first grade - who’ll walk into the team every week is somehow worse than $1 million+ on multiple prospects who more than likely are not going to make it as first graders at all?

 

[Yosh]

Let's see what history says in 10 years time. 2 new teams coming in and cap going up, could be one of the cheaper halves in the comp in 5 years.

 

[Apey]

Has anyone ever seen TheCrowe and The Predictor in the same room together?

 

[perverse]

Let's see what history says in 10 years time. 2 new teams coming in and cap going up, could be one of the cheaper halves in the comp in 5 years.

It's not even just that the new teams are coming in. That will increase demand for sure, but there's also a good handful of marquee halves that absolutely must be on their last legs now as well in DCE, Reynolds, Ben Hunt, Cody Walker as well as blokes like Chad Townsend that have been around forever too. There is about to be a MASSIVE vacuum of high end talent in the NRL halves pool, and hopefully... maybe we've managed to get in ahead of it?

 

[TheCrowe]

Has anyone ever seen TheCrowe and The Predictor in the same room together?

If U actually looked you would see that most the Parra supporters aren't that fussed about losing Brown. I actually hope the knights do well. They are my second team. If I thought he was a good buy I would say it but he just isn't that great As a halfback he is isn't even average. Maybe he will improve but it's a 10 year risk. He lost a lot of respect after tittygate and was spotted out drinking again in the weeks following. He just isn't a serious guy. It's just the facts.

 

[Dr Dr Gimedanews]

It's not even just that the new teams are coming in. That will increase demand for sure, but there's also a good handful of marquee halves that absolutely must be on their last legs now as well in DCE, Reynolds, Ben Hunt, Cody Walker as well as blokes like Chad Townsend that have been around forever too. There is about to be a MASSIVE vacuum of high end talent in the NRL halves pool, and hopefully... maybe we've managed to get in ahead of it?

And only a small handful of young playmakers coming through to "possibly" replace those elite halves as they retire of the next year or so.

Brown is in the Goldy Locks Zone ( just right ) 24 and a proven elite half, with his best years ahead of him. Like hens teeth in today's market.

 

[Unicorn]

Still not convinced that getting Dylan Brown is a good deal for the club, unfortunately the Knights have a track record of bad buys and paying overs. I do hope that it works out, I'm just not convinced.

 

[Woody90]

I'm going to reply as an outsiders perspective, with no bias towards anyone else's position.
It's the 10 years that perplexes.
I do understand the cash, sometimes that has to be done, but the 10 years is the thing that makes an eyebrow raise.
Personally I did this when Manly did it with DCE and when the Cowboys did it with Taumo. The difference is those two played a big part in their respective teams Premiership wins. Brown, unfortunately hasn't won one, and those two teams havent won one since.
I'm not here to offend or debate, that's just my look on it all.
I hope it works out for you, your team is not that far off being very good and he may be the answer.

I think what people are missing with the 10 year thing is that he was already signed to the Eels until 2031. He was only ever going to leave for longer than that. We’ve signed him for allegedly 1.3 until 2033 (the club having a mutual option pretty much makes the last 2 years of the contract null and void IMO) where the Eels were already going to pay him 1.1 until 2031.

Tbh 200k + a 2 extra year Newcastle tax I’m pretty ok with.

 

[Woody90]

Still not convinced that getting Dylan Brown is a good deal for the club, unfortunately the Knights have a track record of bad buys and paying overs. I do hope that it works out, I'm just not convinced.

I think we’re all a bit apprehensive about any signing given our history, but this is a completely different team to the ones that made the previous bad byes so im giving them the benefit of the doubt. O’Sullivan’s record speaks for itself. I’m ok with taking a risk on Brown who may or may not work out as he actually has talent and potential to get even better which wasn’t the case with the other signings who were mostly journey men (unless I’m missing someone).

 

[Unicorn]

Still not convinced that getting Dylan Brown is a good deal for the club, unfortunately the Knights have a track record of bad buys and paying overs. I do hope that it works out, I'm just not convinced.

I think we’re all a bit apprehensive about any signing given our history, but this is a completely different team to the ones that made the previous bad byes so im giving them the benefit of the doubt. O’Sullivan’s record speaks for itself. I’m ok with taking a risk on Brown who may or may not work out as he actually has talent and potential to get even better which wasn’t the case with the other signings who were mostly journey men (unless I’m missing someone).

Fair call, I guess I'm just apprehensive, I so want to see the Knights be successful again, it's been a long time.

 

[Woody90]

I so want to see the Knights be successful again, it's been a long time.

Yeah I think we’re all there. Tbh I’m at a point where I’m just happy the club has shown some ambition so I’m happy to back them to have a swing and a miss.

I’d prefer we take some risks and fail than just not try and be happy with the status quo.

 

[slotmachine]

Let's see what history says in 10 years time

This is the correct take, anyone telling you they know how the deal is going to pan out should be picking lotto numbers, not worrying about rugby league.

More interesting is what is the pass mark for POS taking a big swing? Personally for me it's the Knights making (not necessarily winning) a GF in the next 5-7 years. It's not a high bar, but the last time the Knights even made the top 4 was 2006, and they've won a total of 3 finals games since then.

 

[Rod]

I think what people are missing with the 10 year thing is that he was already signed to the Eels until 2031. He was only ever going to leave for longer than that. We’ve signed him for allegedly 1.3 until 2033 (the club having a mutual option pretty much makes the last 2 years of the contract null and void IMO) where the Eels were already going to pay him 1.1 until 2031.

Tbh 200k + a 2 extra year Newcastle tax I’m pretty ok with.

There's a mutual opt out clause after 8 years?

 

[slotmachine]

Without digging into every team I'm pretty sure they've all made the top 4 more recently than the knights, and it might only be the Titans and Tigers who have won less finals games in that period. So if Dylan Brown and his dump truck full of money gives us even a sniff of winning a GF its worth it.

 

[Woody90]

There's a mutual opt out clause after 8 years?

It was initially reported to be mutual but Richie said on 360 last night it was a club option only.

 

[bad boy bubby]

I think what people are missing with the 10 year thing is that he was already signed to the Eels until 2031. He was only ever going to leave for longer than that. We’ve signed him for allegedly 1.3 until 2033 (the club having a mutual option pretty much makes the last 2 years of the contract null and void IMO) where the Eels were already going to pay him 1.1 until 2031.

Tbh 200k + a 2 extra year Newcastle tax I’m pretty ok with.

That Parra contract was ridiculous, get out clauses every two years, bloody hell.
As they've found out, and not by him leaving but them letting a few good young players go "in the hope" he'd stay.
At least your cap and roster can be planned, they could never do that with that stupid thing they let his manager get away with.

 

[Rod]

It was initially reported to be mutual but Richie said on 360 last night it was a club option only.

I mean that's a pretty huge detail that I hadn't seen yet. That essentially makes it an 8 year contract.

 

[perverse]

This is the correct take, anyone telling you they know how the deal is going to pan out should be picking lotto numbers, not worrying about rugby league.

More interesting is what is the pass mark for POS taking a big swing? Personally for me it's the Knights making (not necessarily winning) a GF in the next 5-7 years. It's not a high bar, but the last time the Knights even made the top 4 was 2006, and they've won a total of 3 finals games since then.

It should push us into the top 4 and regularly competing for trophies during the sweet spot of his contract. I'd give them a season to settle, but even then I expect us to be better next year with no exceptions.

The signing has to pay off. It's too big a deal not to have a big impact, and the rest of the tools are pretty much there now by my reckoning. Treading water won't be a pass mark next year and certainly beyond that.

 

[Knight Tales]

My favourite criteria they use to justify their criticism is he hasn’t won a premiership. The same clowns who call Cogger a title winning half. He literally threw the ball one out to his forwards allowing Cleary to attack wider. That was Ivan genius.