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Bazal

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I think tobacco should be illegal. But you need to drink a LOT of alcohol to experience health effects. The vast majority of people manage their alcohol use without issue. The pros outweigh the cons.

Do they? Is that why NSW and QLD decided lock out laws were necessary? Is it why the ACT hiked up fees and taxes on alcohol in clubs and pubs to make it too expensive to actually get drunk?

Obviously these plans have had varying degrees of success, but if you think Australia doesn't have a severe problem with alcohol you're living under a rock. And I say that as someone who sells the stuff...
 

emjaycee

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You want to make ice legal ? SMFH

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What does it do to guys though?
 

Bazal

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Yeah could be.

BTW there is a huge difference between legal and decriminalisation.

Like I said earlier, I don't believe that really harmful drugs like ice and heroin should be legal. But I do think you could seriously minimise the harm done by poorly made party drugs if they were available from stores where the ingredients were monitored.
 

Snoochies

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These players get paid big bucks to play a game they love, it's what most people dream of doing, why snort coke?
 

emjaycee

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I said he was suspended for four offences, which he was.
Sure.
My point is IF he had received the consorting warning AND then gotten busted with drugs so be it, but he didnt. So the drug possession may never have occurred if he knew he had received his first non-disciplinary warning.

But we will never know will we.
 

Gronk

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Im with pou ... the bad effects of the so called safe drugs will emerge if they are more plentiful and easier to obtain

There is merit in investigating the decriminalisation of drugs. Ice however is an evil drug and dealers need to be given life.

Portugal decriminalised drugs 14 years ago – and now hardly anyone dies from overdosing


The country has 3 overdose deaths per million citizens, compared to the EU average of 17.3
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Among Portuguese adults, there are 3 drug overdose deaths for every 1,000,000 citizens Getty Images
Portugal decriminalised the use of all drugs in 2001. Weed, cocaine, heroin, you name it — Portugal decided to treat possession and use of small quantities of these drugs as a public health issue, not a criminal one. The drugs were still illegal, of course. But now getting caught with them meant a small fine and maybe a referral to a treatment program — not jail time and a criminal record.

Among Portuguese adults, there are 3 drug overdose deaths for every 1,000,000 citizens. Comparable numbers in other countries range from 10.2 per million in the Netherlands to 44.6 per million in the UK, all the way up to 126.8 per million in Estonia. The EU average is 17.3 per million.

Perhaps more significantly, the report notes that the use of "legal highs" – like so-called "synthetic" marijuana, "bath salts" and the like – is lower in Portugal than in any of the other countries for which reliable data exists. This makes a lot of intuitive sense: why bother with fake weed or dangerous designer drugs when you can get the real stuff? This is arguably a positive development for public health in the sense that many of the designer drugs that people develop to skirt existing drug laws have terrible and often deadly side effects.



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Drug use and drug deaths are complicated phenomena. They have many underlying causes. Portugal's low death rate can't be attributable solely to decriminalisation. As Dr. Joao Goulao, the architect of the country's decriminalization policy, has said, "it's very difficult to identify a causal link between decriminalisation by itself and the positive tendencies we have seen."



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Still, it's very clear that decriminalisation hasn't had the severe consequences that its opponents predicted. As the Transform Drug Policy Institute says in its analysis of Portugal's drug laws, "The reality is that Portugal’s drug situation has improved significantly in several key areas. Most notably, HIV infections and drug-related deaths have decreased, while the dramatic rise in use feared by some has failed to materialise."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...dly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html
 

TheRam

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So has making drugs illegal stopped people using and all the negative crap associated with it?

Making drugs illegal benefits no one, but the parasites that grow around it, but we still end up having to deal with the problem of the users and all the other things to boot.
 

Gronk

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So has making drugs illegal stopped people using and all the negative crap associated with it?

Making drugs illegal benefits no one, but the parasites that grow around it, but we still end up having to deal with the problem of the users and all the other things to boot.

Do you mean decriminalise ? If you make it legal, then you will create a new non-fiction subclass of the Walking Dead. This is how bad ice is.

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Noise

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I think tobacco should be illegal. But you need to drink a LOT of alcohol to experience health effects. The vast majority of people manage their alcohol use without issue. The pros outweigh the cons.

No chance that would be the case if 'party drugs' were as cheap and easy to obtain as alcohol. We would end up with a society full of the mentally ill. Psychosis and associated crimes would be a massive social problem.

I'd suggest the vast majority of people on pills manage their use without issue too. A pill costs about $30 and last for hours. Sure some people have more than one. But I'd hazard a guess that most people spend over hundred bucks on a night on the piss.

I'm on the fence when it come to the legalisation of drugs. It would open a can of worms if we made them legal but I can def see the points for.
 

strider

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Do the portugese have the same sort of binge drinking culture we apparently have here? ... i'm led to believe most european countries dont ... my point is its very hard to compare different cultures/countries - nothing says we will be the same as them
 

Bazal

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Do the portugese have the same sort of binge drinking culture we apparently have here? ... i'm led to believe most european countries dont ... my point is its very hard to compare different cultures/countries - nothing says we will be the same as them

Certainly the Portuguese love a drink...5th highest consumption per capita in the EU, although like most EU countries it's dropping, but highest number of days per month where alcohol is consumed. Middle of the road for binge drinking

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road...of_alcohol_consumption/alcohol_consumption_en

That being said, I don't think drug culture and alcohol culture are necessarily closely related. I would suggest that many Australian binge drinkers don't ever touch drugs, and vice versa. There will obviously be some (maybe quite a bit of) crossover but there will also be a lot of people who do one or the other.
 

Noise

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I went to a conference on drug use among young people late last year. It was really interesting. I can't be arsed writing an essay on the juicy bits. In terms of ecstacy use it had actually dropped in the late noughties early teenies(??) due to the quality of pills being so shit . It seems that drug users are just like everyone else. If the quality is crap they will spend their money elsewhere. However the drug makers have now improved the quality of pills and ecstacy use is super popular again. The problem is people who were used to the crap, weak pills who use to drop a heap of pills in a night are now doing the same thing even though the pills are up to 2-3 times as strong.
 

Kornstar

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I'd suggest the vast majority of people on pills manage their use without issue too. A pill costs about $30 and last for hours. Sure some people have more than one. But I'd hazard a guess that most people spend over hundred bucks on a night on the piss.

I'm on the fence when it come to the legalisation of drugs. It would open a can of worms if we made them legal but I can def see the points for.

For a good 10 years I took pills weekly, so far I've yet to have any adverse effects and hold a pretty senior position in my job.

The only thing that hindered me was getting here sooner as I spent my 20's enjoying myself and my 30's have been about my daughter (who was born when I was 30) and my career.

We'll see where I am in 10 more years I guess.

Also I haven't had a sick day since 2003 so the fun I had in my 20's did not change my work ethic and interfere with anything. I achieved many things at work during that time and the ground work I laid during that time is why I am where I am now but I certainly didn't pursue anything too high because I was having too much fun outside of work hours.
 
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Agreed. I think you'll find there were more drug-related deaths in Australia then there were from crashes involving a driver or motorcycle rider with a blood alcohol concentration above the legal limit.

If you include 'all' or 'all illicit' drugs (including ice / heroin)...sure. But we're not talking about people consuming 'any' drug. We're talking a particular one consumed in a particular circumstance. The risks per instance of the behaviour have to much higher for driving a car off your tree (and of course there's the simple risk from alcohol itself), than taking a single of coke. Full disclosure, I've never done either.
 

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