Rumours and Stuff

[84 Baby]

Unless it's just a ploy from his manager to extract a higher offer from the Tigers.

Yeah because Tigers are obviously willing to go for that

 

[parra-matters]

With French due back and Semi clear for the rest of the year we don't need Moses this year as bad as we did a month ago. But if he comes, he comes.

 

[Happy MEel]

They'd also think that drink driving isn't such a big thing. I have no sympathy for the players involved in the coke stuff, but drink driving is 100 times more of a social problem,

Sorry Barry but I'm not sure what you're basing that on. I think it's fair to combine the "coke stuff" into a general drug issue and if you're comparing arrests/charges there were 19,027 legal actions commenced by Police in NSW last year for drink driving (Source: BOCSAR) and 29,509 consumer and provider drug arrests in NSW in 2014-15 (Source: Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission).

Alcohol and tobacco in general are by far the greatest burdens of disease but the specific drink driving and illicit drug issues in NSW are certainly comparable.

 

[strider]

so we not getting Moses this year then?

What about TMM from penruff ... i thought he was likely heading to the tigers?

 

[strider]

Yep the AFL's drug problem is just as bad or even worse, the difference is the way it's reported in the media. If a player farts in RL it's the worst thing in the world and big news. The AFL media are actually to happy to talk and report on the game unlike the hacks who report on RL who are just chasing the clicks for their shitty websites.

I actually wonder how many NRL players are getting a first strike and it all goes unheard of and is swept under the carpet? .... the media only get hold of the ones that have the police involved ... how different is the nrl policy to the afl?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Sorry Barry but I'm not sure what you're basing that on. I think it's fair to combine the "coke stuff" into a general drug issue and if you're comparing arrests/charges there were 19,027 legal actions commenced by Police in NSW last year for drink driving (Source: BOCSAR) and 29,509 consumer and provider drug arrests in NSW in 2014-15 (Source: Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission).

Alcohol and tobacco in general are by far the greatest burdens of disease but the specific drink driving and illicit drug issues in NSW are certainly comparable.

Firstly, I was not referring to the relative incidence of forms of behaviour, I was referring to the consequences of each illegal act. We don't set penalties in proportion to the number of offenders (well..we shouldn't at least).

The number of arrests does not measure the extent of the social harm caused by behaviour. That measures how many people get busted doing something that is deemed to be illegal. It doesn't measure the harm done by the illegal activity.

Social harm comprises (among other things) physical and mental harm (and deaths) caused, the cost of treatment etc. Getting into a car off your skull and driving exposes you and other poor bastard in your way to a credible risk of death.

 

[parra-matters]

What about TMM from penruff ... i thought he was likely heading to the tigers?

yeah that was the original call wasn't it, seems the talk has gone cold on him.

 

[El Diablo]

I actually wonder how many NRL players are getting a first strike and it all goes unheard of and is swept under the carpet? .

only second strikers get named and suspended like http://wwos.nine.com.au/2016/07/06/12/55/souths-auvaa-allegedly-records-nrl-drug-policy-strike

 

[Happy MEel]

Firstly, I was not referring to the relative incidence of forms of behaviour, I was referring to the consequences of each illegal act. We don't set penalties in proportion to the number of offenders (well..we shouldn't at least).

The number of arrests does not measure the extent of the social harm caused by behaviour. That measures how many people get busted doing something that is deemed to be illegal. It doesn't measure the harm done by the illegal activity.

Social harm comprises (among other things) physical and mental harm (and deaths) caused, the cost of treatment etc. Getting into a car off your skull and driving exposes you and other poor bastard in your way to a credible risk of death.

Agreed. I think you'll find there were more drug-related deaths in Australia then there were from crashes involving a driver or motorcycle rider with a blood alcohol concentration above the legal limit.

 

[El Diablo]

. how different is the nrl policy to the afl?

the AFL's policy is far more lenient

http://www.nrl.com/nrl-committed-to...testing/tabid/10874/newsid/84092/default.aspx

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-18/how-the-new-afl-illicit-drugs-policy-works

in the AFL players can also self report and avoid a strike

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au...k=952620221e58e1e344bb500f48388ce5-1494289525

 

[The Colonel]

yeah that was the original call wasn't it, seems the talk has gone cold on him.

Or Penrith are about to sack another coach....

 

[parra-matters]

Or Penrith are about to sack another coach....

has the board given him the full backing yet? that's the ultimate kiss of death.

 

[TheRam]

Using illegal drugs supports organised crime. In some places these f**kwits are so strong they terrorise the poor merkins living in their territories. All enabled by a bunch of safe, wealthy middle class deadshits wanting to get their rocks off.

Yeah shits me no end when people say it's victimless. Mother Teresa isn't the one supplying the stuff

Yeah that's why it should be legal.

 

[Gronk]

Yeah that's why it should be legal.

You want to make ice legal ? SMFH

 

[Poupou Escobar]

That's right. These drugs are addictive and harmful to your physical and mental health, whether they are legal or not.

 

[Noise]

That's right. These drugs are addictive and harmful to your physical and mental health, whether they are legal or not.

I'm not saying they should be legal but if that's your arguement so are tobacco and alcohol

 

[Bazal]

You want to make ice legal ? SMFH

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I'm not at all saying that ice should be legal, but that second photo is clearly third degree burns.....

 

[Bazal]

I'm not saying they should be legal but if that's your arguement so are tobacco and alcohol

The really harmful drugs like ice and heroin should of course be illegal.

But alcohol and tobacco do far more harm than ecstasy and pot, for example. And most of the harm from ecstasy comes from what it may have been cut with. Make it legal and control it and that's not an issue.

Boggles my mind that pot is illegal, tbh

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I'm not saying they should be legal but if that's your arguement so are tobacco and alcohol

I think tobacco should be illegal. But you need to drink a LOT of alcohol to experience health effects. The vast majority of people manage their alcohol use without issue. The pros outweigh the cons.

No chance that would be the case if 'party drugs' were as cheap and easy to obtain as alcohol. We would end up with a society full of the mentally ill. Psychosis and associated crimes would be a massive social problem.

 

[Bazal]

I seem to recall that Norman's consorting event occurred on the same night as the drug possession. A bit raw to say the drugs were his second offence when he hadn't been warned for the first one.

I said he was suspended for four offences, which he was.