Rumours and Stuff

[oldmancraigy]

My dad and I don't get along, for many reasons that I won't drag this thread down with. Mum and I get on fine. Still would've left if they tried to drug test me.

Ok, sorry to hear it, didn't mean to touch a nerve.

I guess all I was wondering was whether it was possible to have a good relationship with parents and for them to drug test you (as Gronk outlined). I suppose I can see how it is possible for that to be the case, and although I wouldn't do it I don't think I'm appalled by it. Drugs are a massive social problem, I've no idea what the answer is, but I appreciate that some parents might want to be proactive with kids who have a history.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You're so obsessed with arguing that you're confusing a factual statement with an argument.

Your factual statement doesn't support your point. All it tells us is that more people use alcohol than illicit drugs.

 

[Bazal]

Ok, sorry to hear it, didn't mean to touch a nerve.

I guess all I was wondering was whether it was possible to have a good relationship with parents and for them to drug test you (as Gronk outlined). I suppose I can see how it is possible for that to be the case, and although I wouldn't do it I don't think I'm appalled by it. Drugs are a massive social problem, I've no idea what the answer is, but I appreciate that some parents might want to be proactive with kids who have a history.

No need to apologise mate, no nerves touched whatsoever. It's just something I've talked about loads in various forms and I'm not gonna drag the place down with that negativity. That's all.

I just feel that, if you were truly a good parent, you would have no need to drug test your kids. I might not get along with the old man, but I only did drugs during a time in my life where I literally couldn't see another good day coming. They would never have drug tested me regardless of what they thought of me because they were confident they gave me the groundwork in my upbringing to make good decisions. For me, drug testing your kids is a sign that you have zero faith in them and zero faith in your own parenting

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If you read what I said in context ...

You can chose not to give your kid a black amex, but half his / her mates will have one anyway.

Kids these days are flush. Like it or not merkin.

And my point is that the shit parents throwing cash at their kids causes the other kids not being spoiled to feel hard done by, and think their parents are shit for wanting to spend time with them rather than financing their 30 year childhoods.

Anyway, only blokes need cash to get drugs. No matter how broke young chicks are they're always able to end up off their heads.

 

[Bazal]

Your factual statement doesn't support your point. All it tells us is that more people use alcohol than illicit drugs.

Actually it asserts that the idea spouted by yourself and Hindy that alcohol is basically harmless is a total fallacy. But you'd argue either way

 

[Happy MEel]

My stance is that many illegal drugs should be legal, and all drugs should be decriminalised. I have no issues with my mates doing pot or ecstasy or the odd line of coke any more than I do with them doing shots of Jaeger.

Also, I fail to see how thinking it's appalling that parents drug test their kids is either supporting or condemning illegal drug use. But anyway...



Abject stupidity of the last line of that comment aside, alcohol is legal and controlled. As is tobacco. Why would any other legal drugs be any different? Believing that pingas should be legal and controlled does not even remotely equate to saying "let's give drugs to kids!"

Alcohol and tobacco are legal and are by far the largest drug related burdens of disease in this country. Why would you want to add to that?

 

[Rxchiie]

Moses named in tigers squad. Doubt he'll play this Sunday for us

 

[Bazal]

Alcohol and tobacco are legal and are by far the largest drug related burdens of disease in this country. Why would you want to add to that?

Why would it add anything to it?

https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/dose-reality-effect-state-marijuana-legalizations

 

[Incorrect]

And my point is that the shit parents throwing cash at their kids causes the other kids not being spoiled to feel hard done by, and think their parents are shit for wanting to spend time with them rather than financing their 30 year childhoods.

Anyway, only blokes need cash to get drugs. No matter how broke young chicks are they're always able to end up off their heads.

My wife's brother - I refuse to call him my brother-in-law - is a classic example of what happens when shit parents give in to every single demand their children put forward... no job, lives at home rent free, smokes dope and who knows what else, leeches every single cent off his parents... they've put him through rehab more times than I know about and all for nought.... he comes out the same piece of garbage he went in... in fact garbage is too kind a term, he's a f**king despicable merkin who quite frankly does not deserve to breathe the same air that I do....

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Actually it asserts that the idea spouted by yourself and Hindy that alcohol is basically harmless is a total fallacy. But you'd argue either way

Neither of us said that alcohol is harmless. It obviously carries some risks, as we both acknowledged. But compared to illegal drugs it may as well be harmless.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

My wife's brother - I refuse to call him my brother-in-law - is a classic example of what happens when shit parents give in to every single demand their children put forward... no job, lives at home rent free, smokes dope and who knows what else, leeches every single cent off his parents... they've put him through rehab more times than I know about and all for nought.... he comes out the same piece of garbage he went in... in fact garbage is too kind a term, he's a f**king despicable merkin who quite frankly does not deserve to breathe the same air that I do....

They obviously need to shoulder some of the blame, but imagine if your kid turned out a deadshit loser. You can't just abandon them.

 

[Gronk]

Neither of us said that alcohol is harmless. It obviously carries some risks, as we both acknowledged. But compared to illegal drugs it may as well be harmless.

Alcohol, Ecstacy, Cocaine: Which Drug is Most Toxic?
People should be more knowledgeable about the effective dosage for their drug of choice

Most people have a drug of choice, whether it's alcohol, nicotine or caffeine, or one of the hundred or so illegal drugs, but do any of you know what the effective dosage of your drug of choice is? The effective dose is defined as the median dose that produces the desired effect for that drug. It's a variation on the Goldilocks scenario: not too much, not too little, but just right.

In this video, our intrepid investigator, Professor Funk, wonders the same thing. He asks 150 people if they can identify the most toxic drug out of three choices: Alcohol, "Extacy" and Cocaine. Just for the record, and before you watch the video; what's your guess?


Was your guess correct? Mine was, but I've participated in several grassroots campaigns to legalise weed (but that's another story entirely). As part of my fact-finding necessary to present the argument to the public, I learned a variety of facts about legal and illegal drugs, including the effective dosages for a large number of them. But like Professor Funk, I was amazed at how many people had no clue as to the toxicity of the most common drug of choice (alcohol). But this makes sense, I suppose, considering the number of people who end up in hospital emergency rooms due to alcohol poisoning every year.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/punctuated-equilibrium/2011/feb/22/1

 

[Bazal]

Neither of us said that alcohol is harmless. It obviously carries some risks, as we both acknowledged. But compared to illegal drugs it may as well be harmless.

Is that why the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare state flat out that alcohol is the most common drug ingestion resulting in medical treatment in Australia? It accounted for 55% of all presentations to hospital out of 119,000 presentations over the two year period of the last data set.

Basically harmless? You're clueless

 

[Gronk]

Is that why the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare state flat out that alcohol is the most common drug ingestion resulting in medical treatment in Australia? It accounted for 55% of all presentations to hospital out of 119,000 presentations over the two year period of the last data set.

Basically harmless? You're clueless

As per ^^^ my post above. Alcohol is surprisingly more toxic than recreational drugs. You keep drinking and you die.

AN AUSTRALIAN woman has died in a luxury Bali villa complex after drinking what police say was a large amount of vodka.

Jean Simmons, amother of five, was with two other women from Mossman in Queenslnd who tried to save her but she had died by the time emergency services arrived. Police say she had drunk up to 27 glasses of vodka.

Police say there is so far no cause of death for the 38-year-old, who died in the early hours of Sunday morning and no post mortem has yet been conducted.

The woman was staying at the luxury Peppers Seminyak villas with two other females, aged 46 and 20 years.

Police say the victim was drinking vodka with her friends, at their villa about 9pm on Sunday night and is believed to have had about 21 glasses of vodka followed by a further six glasses later in the evening.

She then went to her own villa to get her money as she was planning to go out but started vomiting at the front of her villa and fainted. Police said her pulse became weak and her face and lips burned blue.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...a/news-story/6cd9dd5656251f90e4947eec3b0021b1

 

[The Phelan Folly]

Haha. Gronk is a pot head!

 

[Bazal]

As per ^^^ my post above. Alcohol is surprisingly more toxic than recreational drugs. You keep drinking and you die.



http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...a/news-story/6cd9dd5656251f90e4947eec3b0021b1

It's not that surprising given alcohol is essentially a powerful solvent

 

[Bazal]

Haha. Gronk is a pot head!

Gronk is way better than Pou but. He's a pot plant

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Is that why the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare state flat out that alcohol is the most common drug ingestion resulting in medical treatment in Australia? It accounted for 55% of all presentations to hospital out of 119,000 presentations over the two year period of the last data set.

Basically harmless? You're clueless

Are we back to the circle of cars killing more people than guns?

 

[Bazal]

Are we back to the circle of cars killing more people than guns?

No,we're back to you trying say alcohol is less harmful overall than illegal drugs. A blatant fallacy

 

[Incorrect]

They obviously need to shoulder some of the blame, but imagine if your kid turned out a deadshit loser. You can't just abandon them.

Depends on the reason/s why they turned out a deadshit loser. If it's because they have a sense of entitlement brought on by years of submissive parenting which leads to thieving from and abuse of those same parents then yeah I could abandon them no worries. But of course that just isn't going to happen in me and my wife's case - she has seen and acknowledges the shitstain of a human her half brother is and the mistakes her mum and stepfather have made and history will not repeat in our household.

If on the other hand my kid turns out to be a deadshit loser despite all of our best efforts to put them on the right path, and it's down to some poor choices and bad luck, then I wouldn't abandon them.

I'm a pretty cold person tbh so if circumstances like those described in my earlier post eventuated in my house, then flesh and blood or not, the merkin would be out on the streets for all I care. . .