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Dibs

Bench
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Seems to be a lot of black and white answers from people on here regarding drugs and the raising of children. I'm sure you are all just arguing your side of things and are well aware that things are more grey than that.
I know various professional people (doctors and lawyers) that are ambitious and hard working yet at the end of the day prefer to wind down with a cone or a joint. They are not lazy in the least. I've also known people who get stoned lay around all day doing nothing accept thinking about the next hit. I even knew a couple who were heroin users, they worked all week and shot up on weekends.
When it comes to parenting I wonder how any of you commenting actually have children. Not because you don't have the right to an opinion you certainly do. However before I had children I knew exactly how I would parent and knew it would work, then I actually had children and all that goes out the window. It's a constant learning process and being adaptable is just one part of being a good parent.
Kids can have a lot of cash without parents giving it to them. My eldest is 15 and works for Events cinemas and has more disposable income than I do. I know she is not buying drugs with it though as we monitor and control her use of it.
I can never see myself drug testing my children but if circumstances changed and I thought it was for their good I would consider it. I would like to think I could tell without the need to test that they were using but that would be niave. My youngest turns 12 tomorrow and for the moment I believe in trusting all 3 until that trust is broken. However I certainly monitor and control to an extent their activities to limit as much as possible their chances of being in a situation where they may make a bad choice but sooner or later they are going to have to make those decisions for themselves. One thing I know for sure it is no exact science and what I think is right today I may think is wrong tomorrow.
 

emjaycee

Coach
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Doesn't the issue of toxicity need to be balanced with the issue of volume of consumption?
And the issue of number of people hospitalised need to be balanced with the number of users?

Do 2 in 10 drinkers of alcohol end up in hospital and only 1 in 10 users of ice?

If I go out to get pissed it is going to take me 8-10 scotches to get totally off my face and it will take me not only the effort, but also the cost and the time for this to occur. After 10 scotches I am pretty much shit faced.
In the old days, depending on the quality, it would take me 4 or more cones or maybe 2 joints to get to the same level of shit-faced ness.

How many "e's" to reach the same levels?
How many lines of coke?
How much ice do I need to smoke?
How much heroin do I need to shoot up?

I ask only because I don't know the answers.
 

Gronk

Moderator
Staff member
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Doesn't the issue of toxicity need to be balanced with the issue of volume of consumption?
And the issue of number of people hospitalised need to be balanced with the number of users?

Do 2 in 10 drinkers of alcohol end up in hospital and only 1 in 10 users of ice?

If I go out to get pissed it is going to take me 8-10 scotches to get totally off my face and it will take me not only the effort, but also the cost and the time for this to occur. After 10 scotches I am pretty much shit faced.
In the old days, depending on the quality, it would take me 4 or more cones or maybe 2 joints to get to the same level of shit-faced ness.

How many "e's" to reach the same levels?
How many lines of coke?
How much ice do I need to smoke?
How much heroin do I need to shoot up?

I ask only because I don't know the answers.

^^ The youtube video explains that.
 

Bazal

Post Whore
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103,242
Alcohol is used more frequently than illegal drugs by orders of magnitude, yet is only marginally more responsible for negative health and safety effects.

55% of all drug related hospitalisation. Highest illicit drug (behind prescription pain killers)is heroin at 6%

"Marginally"

In case you missed it, alcohol is more toxic and more abused than illicit drugs. It is a far greater social issue and a far greater national health issue. It is also legal, whilst far less harmful and abused substances are illegal. Argue against that all you like. You are wrong
 

Bazal

Post Whore
Messages
103,242
Doesn't the issue of toxicity need to be balanced with the issue of volume of consumption?
And the issue of number of people hospitalised need to be balanced with the number of users?

Do 2 in 10 drinkers of alcohol end up in hospital and only 1 in 10 users of ice?

If I go out to get pissed it is going to take me 8-10 scotches to get totally off my face and it will take me not only the effort, but also the cost and the time for this to occur. After 10 scotches I am pretty much shit faced.
In the old days, depending on the quality, it would take me 4 or more cones or maybe 2 joints to get to the same level of shit-faced ness.

How many "e's" to reach the same levels?
How many lines of coke?
How much ice do I need to smoke?
How much heroin do I need to shoot up?

I ask only because I don't know the answers.

It's a fair issue, but a separate one. My point personally was that a legal substance is far more abused and far more dangerous than many of the illegal ones, which Pou disputed.
 

Gronk

Moderator
Staff member
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Haha. Gronk is a pot head!

No merkin. My only vices these days are:

shopping
images
 

Poupou Escobar

Post Whore
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91,406
55% of all drug related hospitalisation. Highest illicit drug (behind prescription pain killers)is heroin at 6%
So alcohol is responsible for fewer than ten times the hospitalisation (leaving aside long term mental health issues) as heroin. You admit this figure.

Now would you say alcohol is used more or less than ten times as often as heroin?

"Marginally"

In case you missed it, alcohol is more toxic and more abused than illicit drugs. It is a far greater social issue and a far greater national health issue. It is also legal, whilst far less harmful and abused substances are illegal. Argue against that all you like. You are wrong
Do you not think the legal status of alcohol contributes to its greater use? And if it used more often do you think this corresponds to greater abuse? Or do you just love the idea of massive coincidences?
 

Poupou Escobar

Post Whore
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It's a fair issue, but a separate one. My point personally was that a legal substance is far more abused and far more dangerous than many of the illegal ones, which Pou disputed.
Where did I dispute that? My argument is that alcohol is safer than illegal drugs. I would also argue that tobacco is safer from a mental health perspective. This would also be closely related to why those drugs are legal.
 

lingard

Coach
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11,423
For a good 10 years I took pills weekly, so far I've yet to have any adverse effects and hold a pretty senior position in my job.

The only thing that hindered me was getting here sooner as I spent my 20's enjoying myself and my 30's have been about my daughter (who was born when I was 30) and my career.

We'll see where I am in 10 more years I guess.

Also I haven't had a sick day since 2003 so the fun I had in my 20's did not change my work ethic and interfere with anything. I achieved many things at work during that time and the ground work I laid during that time is why I am where I am now but I certainly didn't pursue anything too high because I was having too much fun outside of work hours.

It may not be obvious to you - but by the look of some of your posts, there was certainly some damage done.
 

Gary Gutful

Post Whore
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Seems to be a lot of black and white answers from people on here regarding drugs and the raising of children. I'm sure you are all just arguing your side of things and are well aware that things are more grey than that.
I know various professional people (doctors and lawyers) that are ambitious and hard working yet at the end of the day prefer to wind down with a cone or a joint. They are not lazy in the least. I've also known people who get stoned lay around all day doing nothing accept thinking about the next hit. I even knew a couple who were heroin users, they worked all week and shot up on weekends.
When it comes to parenting I wonder how any of you commenting actually have children. Not because you don't have the right to an opinion you certainly do. However before I had children I knew exactly how I would parent and knew it would work, then I actually had children and all that goes out the window. It's a constant learning process and being adaptable is just one part of being a good parent.
Kids can have a lot of cash without parents giving it to them. My eldest is 15 and works for Events cinemas and has more disposable income than I do. I know she is not buying drugs with it though as we monitor and control her use of it.
I can never see myself drug testing my children but if circumstances changed and I thought it was for their good I would consider it. I would like to think I could tell without the need to test that they were using but that would be niave. My youngest turns 12 tomorrow and for the moment I believe in trusting all 3 until that trust is broken. However I certainly monitor and control to an extent their activities to limit as much as possible their chances of being in a situation where they may make a bad choice but sooner or later they are going to have to make those decisions for themselves. One thing I know for sure it is no exact science and what I think is right today I may think is wrong tomorrow.
Dibs was surprisingly eloquent and well informed given how high he was when he wrote this.
 

lingard

Coach
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11,423
You know what? SKD has volunteered to undergo a hair analysis. So he must be confident it would show no use for at least the past several months. From that we can assume that he is not a frequent user of cocaine. So. Being caught with a one-off amount - and the NRL crucify him and potentially rob him of a four year contract. I think the system has gone insane.
 
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You know what? SKD has volunteered to undergo a hair analysis. So he must be confident it would show no use for at least the past several months. From that we can assume that he is not a frequent user of cocaine. So. Being caught with a one-off amount - and the NRL crucify him and potentially rob him of a four year contract. I think the system has gone insane.

Well, I'm not sure whether it is better or worse. Why was he (allegedly) in possession of the coke? If he's holding it for someone else, why? Who is the someone else? Or if wasn't holding it for someone else, what was he planning to do with it? Or is he stupid enough to believe that taking coke just after you shaved your head stops it getting into your hair folicles?
 

Kornstar

Coach
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It may not be obvious to you - but by the look of some of your posts, there was certainly some damage done.

No, ask @ash411 I've always been a fruit loop. I've probably actually mellowed in my old age.

But thanks for noticing and pointing out my mental health issues......looks like I need to up my medication and therapy sessions.......
 
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