Rumours and Stuff

[Bandwagon]

I dunno about the level to which the Dogs have over-committed, but with respect to the Klemmer thing....what is it that the Dogs are supposed to have done wrong? The problems for Klemmer seems to be that they are NOT guaranteeing the TPAs (as they are not allowed to unless they are part of the Marquee allowance). The NRL doesn't seem to have a problem with contract offers that state that the club will try to put the player in contact with potential TPA sponsors (i.e. like we did with Hoppa), and then leave it to the TP and player to chat, as long as the club doesn't negotiate that deal, and the deal isn't contingent on the player playing for the club, and the TP isn't a club sponsor.

Of course that's all correct as far as the way the rules apply, but there's plenty of evidence ( admittedly anecdotal ) out there that it's not the way it works in the real world. We see far to many reports of "of player x signs for $$ including $$Tpa's", "Player Y unhappy at club because TPA's not being met". That these types of reports don't seem to attract any real attention, seems to me to suggest it's just the way things are done out in clubland.

If I recall correctly, during the couple of years prior to the debacle from our club last year, there were a good number of reports such as these regards players we had signed, of course we all know how that ended up. If Klemmer is indeed talking about the club failing to deliver in terms of TPA's, surely that suggests right or wrong, that he believes the club has some kind of responsibility to him there? Now i'm guessin' both he and his manager also know how the rules work, but I'll also take a punt they know a bit about how the club works with these things as well.

I accept none of the above amounts to proof, but it sure as shit say's to me it'd be worth a closer look if I was the NRL, and I was truly interested in policing the current situation with TPA's.

 

[Bandwagon]

TPAs are an unsolvable problem simply because the NRL can't work out a way to phase them out.

I mean how can you phase them out without disadvataging clubs with or without them ?

They don't need to be phased out, what's needed is more transparency. A publicly available record of all current TPA's, stating who the providers are, how much they provide, and to which club the the player they are provided to belongs would be a good start in my opinion.

The more transparent these kind of transactions are, the harder it becomes to rort the system using them. I cannot for the life of me see a valid and ethical reason why such a system cannot exist, provided there is no direct link to the actual player being paid.

 

[Gronk]

They don't need to be phased out, what's needed is more transparency. A publicly available record of all current TPA's, stating who the providers are, how much they provide, and to which club the the player they are provided to belongs would be a good start in my opinion.

The more transparent these kind of transactions are, the harder it becomes to rort the system using them. I cannot for the life of me see a valid and ethical reason why such a system cannot exist, provided there is no direct link to the actual player being paid.

Maybe shaming the merkins who don't deliver on promised payments will reduce instances of backflipping.

 

[Bandwagon]

Maybe shaming the merkins who don't deliver on promised payments will reduce instances of backflipping.

It might, I'm guessing that would depend upon who promised what and how that was to be delivered.

An example where it might not would be say if a club was to pay inflated invoices to the provider and the provider was to pass these on.

But then if it was public knowledge that there was an existing financial relationship between the club and the provider, such an arrangement would likely be subject to a little more scrutiny in the first place.

 

[Happy MEel]

I'm sure Todd is keeping a close eye on this....(taken from the SMH article)

"The club is trying to make sure Klemmer is compensated for the deal coming undone, but he is no guarantee to be at the Bulldogs next year."

 

[Delboy]

All Toddy Boy needs to do is publish the total amount of registered TPAs that each club has, no need for individual amounts. That way, the fans would understand how some clubs can continue to recruit, and at the same time it may bring pressure on the NRL to do some proper investigation at clubs that currently seem to be immune from investigation.

Simple to fans but always in the too hard basket for people in charge with past club affiliations

 

[strider]

Is this the first instance of failed TPAs at the dogs? .... a falling out with some business friends? ... been a little instability there lately with dib and castle clashing - coincidence that TPAs are coming unstuck?

 

[Stagger eel]

Is this the first instance of failed TPAs at the dogs? .... a falling out with some business friends? ... been a little instability there lately with dib and castle clashing - coincidence that TPAs are coming unstuck?

All sounds wonderful and it would be awesome to see those grubs crumble in a heap but unfortunately in this case it could be that Klemmer may be in dispute with his former manager rather than the club..
He recently changed managers

 

[El Diablo]

I'd take Klemmer is a heartbeat, have always liked his mongrel attitude

wasn't he a Parra junior?

 

[Twizzle]

wasn't he a Parra junior?

Background[edit]
Born in Sydney, New South Wales, Klemmer played his junior rugby league for All Saints Toongabbie Tigers, before being signed by the Parramatta Eels. He also played Australian rules football and played for the Sydney Swans academy.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Klemmer

 

[Noise]

On the back of calling for Seph Paulo to play 7, Phil Sims is now calling for Gutho to play 9. Some weird shit goes on over there...

 

[Twizzle]

yeah, all the sensible people are here, lol

 

[hindy111]

On the back of calling for Seph Paulo to play 7, Phil Sims is now calling for Gutho to play 9. Some weird shit goes on over there...

I think Gutherson in centres. And Taka on bench as a backrower. To give Kaysa a 10 - 15min rest Taka could move to centre and Gutherson a 10 - 15 min stint at hooker.
I cant see a spot for Taka when all fit unless on bench as utility. And he offers nore then Smith.

 

[Jake the snake]

On the back of calling for Seph Paulo to play 7, Phil Sims is now calling for Gutho to play 9. Some weird shit goes on over there...

He's lost the plot

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Of course that's all correct as far as the way the rules apply, but there's plenty of evidence ( admittedly anecdotal ) out there that it's not the way it works in the real world. We see far to many reports of "of player x signs for $$ including $$Tpa's", "Player Y unhappy at club because TPA's not being met". That these types of reports don't seem to attract any real attention, seems to me to suggest it's just the way things are done out in clubland.

If I recall correctly, during the couple of years prior to the debacle from our club last year, there were a good number of reports such as these regards players we had signed, of course we all know how that ended up. If Klemmer is indeed talking about the club failing to deliver in terms of TPA's, surely that suggests right or wrong, that he believes the club has some kind of responsibility to him there? .

It doesn't matter what Klemmer thinks....the club are clearly saying that we cannot act as guarantors on those deals. It might be (i.e. 'is') a stupid system, but I don't see this is evidence (at any level) that the Dogs are being treated differently to anyone else. I't's just stupid that the NRL seem to allow 'introductions', and don't seem to care that these are mentioned in letters of offer, memos of understanding etc. As you said, we had apparent cases of players being pissed off that 'promised' TPAs fell through and the club couldn't and didn't pay up on them. We didn't get done for that.

 

[IFR33K]

On the back of calling for Seph Paulo to play 7, Phil Sims is now calling for Gutho to play 9. Some weird shit goes on over there...

At his height, it would be a mighty effort to continually pick the ball up off the ground.

 

[IFR33K]

yeah, all the sensible people are here, lol

U must admit twizzle, it's one of the most obsurd thing you've heard.

 

[TheRam]

If Klemmer, is at all availabe, we would be made to not have a real good crack at him. He may not have much in the form of ball skills, but boy can he motor and give us yardage. We would be a totally different team with him in the side.

Then two project players in Meehan and Kane and if either of them, if not both come good, then boy are we a formidable side then.

 

[Stagger eel]

As I said earlier the Klemmer story is a massive storm in a tea cup and probably would be sorted out tomorrow according to our friend Paul Kent..

He doesn't wear blue and gold so this will blow over very very quickly..

 

[TheRam]

As I said earlier the Klemmer story is a massive storm in a tea cup and probably would be sorted out tomorrow according to our friend Paul Kent..

He doesn't wear blue and gold so this will blow over very very quickly..

Fair enough Stagger. Pity.