Rumours and Stuff

[hineyrulz]

You're off your head mate, seriously. The Roosters have won one comp and one wooden spoon and missed the finals five times, and they're "successful" to you....yet you go off on that rubbish rant when I suggest that Brisbane are successful with the same number of premierships, zero spoons and three extra finals appearances?

The Broncos are a successful club. That is undeniable. They have a big junior base. That is also undeniable. They have more rep players than the Roosters. Once again, undeniable. You can rant all you like, but you cannot deny that Brisbane are more successful than the Roosters with a large junior base.

They also had Andrew Gee and the Thoroughbreds. There are plenty of reasons why they are so successful and not just their massive junior base.

 

[Noise]

I think 'success' of your juniors needs to be looked at in a combination of ways. When looking at the worth/success of your catchment area you should be taking into account:
- how many are becoming regular first graders
- which of those become rep players
- is the first grade team making regular semi finals with these players
- premierships

Parra are shit in all departments.

 

[hineyrulz]

I think 'success' of your juniors needs to be looked at in a combination of ways. When looking at the worth/success of your catchment area you should be taking into account:
- how many are becoming regular first graders
- which of those become rep players
- is the first grade team making regular semi finals with these players
- premierships

Parra are shit in all departments.

Except in making excuses, in this department we are number 1.

 

[Glenneel]

Does lingard have that much influence?!?!?

No he doesn't Pou but many think like him, a working class game, derived from the game 'they play in heaven'.
All I can say is they must kick a lot of penalty goals in heaven!

 

[Glenneel]

Well for starters, I would make sure that there is NO guaranteed salary cap money for any NRL club without meeting strict KPI's. One of those non negotiable KPI's would be junior development.

You don't think this is possible? Keep living in your leaguie little bubbles. The die has been cast and the young are speaking. Times are a changing while the ARLC and the Clubs are still fighting over control of the pie till there is nothing left. I fear for our game more now then I have ever in my lifetime. The clubs and players are way to selfish and the ARLC to incompetent and selfish. A great mix for AFL to drive the nail in the coffin. All they are waiting for is for the NRL to lay down in that coffin willingly and the lid will go on quicker then everybody thinks.

I like your post Ram but would go further and expand it to other areas outside of Australia. The Pacific Islands would be a good starting place.

However you are right, once the clubs have any sort of control they will suck the teat dry, and bugger everyone else. Imo we need someone in control who has no allegiance with any club and distributes the pie fairly amongst everybody, including expansion of the game. An open and transparent salary cap would be a good start along with better and fairer refereeing to create a more level playing field.

 

[hindy111]

The roosters have also recruited big names like JWH, KEARY,FERGUSON,TEDESCO,JENNINGS .

I doubt they can win the title this year. And i see there squad as an up and down team.
Teams like storm and cowboys ended up with once in lifetime players. Lets see how consitant they are once retire.
Some teams have more tpas and that is what seperates them and why clubs like tigers and knights struggle.

Brisbane dogs and Manly have been good at changing a squad and keeping them competetive.

 

[Glenneel]

It still proves that spending money on your own junior area is pointless.

The only player in our current Top 17 originally from the Parra district is the Lebanese Cucumber.

No just proves they are better at identifying talent than us, as in Lattrel Mitchell.

Also they identify where they are lacking in their squad and buy players to plug the holes, this year 5/8 and fb were 2 positions filled with good players, one being a Parra junior btw.

What do we do, buy other teams cast offs, cheap players, but where has it gotten us? Fritchard, Vave and Matagi certainly haven't set the world on fire or played many games. French is struggling (needs to be dropped to ISC to gain more experience), Hoffman is just solid, both Taka and Auva'a are liabilities in defence, Moses another liability in D and goes missing too often, and most of our forwards are park standard players and too light so get dominated by bigger packs and no decent dh.

BA might be a good coach, BUT, until he stops being players friends and drops players for poor games, AND identifies decent talent we will continually be a mid table team.

Cleary in a little over a month has bought 3 good forwards and a couple of backs. I can guarantee these purchases will transform Tigers next year. What have we done, bought Evans (still not sold on him yet) and that's about all. So where are we? Still middle of the pack!!!! WTF.

 

[hindy111]

Since the hindys days where every week a new jnr debut we have had little.
Hayne was a shining light but inu,mateo,reddy,mannah,smith?,keating. From 2003 till 2013 was not a lot of quality.
In the last 4 yrs we seen, Jnr Paulo, Terepo,Tepai,Bevan,Kaysa,Pauli,Moses,Alvaro,Matterson,Davis,Falou,Semi play first grade that was part of our system or talent scouting.

Of those Jnr, Semi,Moses,Bevan,Tepai,Matterson I reckon will have very good careers.

And all this in the last 4 yrs. I reckon its a good number and although i do no expect anyone to debut this year I reckon Stone, GL are a good chance next season while there is still hope for guys like Dargan, Dane Aka, Niakuore to burst onto the scene.

 

[Glenneel]

That's the sort of comment only a Parra fan who's happy being mid table can make, because thats good enough for them.

So the mob with the biggest junior base in the country have one one comp and been in one other grand final since then, yet the mob with no real juniors base (Storm) virtually makes the top 4 every year.

But don't worry, Parra can just rely on their juniors to win comps, like we have dine for the past 30 years.

Where is the proven success of prioritising juniors again?

We had 2, and only 2 imo, golden periods with our juniors. One was the late 70s and early 80s where our team, particularly our backline, was nearly all juniors with a couple of good recruits like Price, Cronin and Sterling.

The other was the 90s where Hayne, Inu and Mateo came thru together. But generally our team was pretty shit, and has remained that way since.

 

[hindy111]

We had 2, and only 2 imo, golden periods with our juniors. One was the late 70s and early 80s where our team, particularly our backline, was nearly all juniors with a couple of good recruits like Price, Cronin and Sterling.

The other was the 90s where Hayne, Inu and Mateo came thru together. But generally our team was pretty shit, and has remained that way since.

No.... Inu and Mateo bog average careers.

Hindmarsh x 2 , Ryan,Vella,Cayless,Lyons,Vaeleki,Tonga,Burt, Grothe jnr,P.Richards came onto scene within a few years of each other.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

No just proves they are better at identifying talent than us, as in Lattrel Mitchell.

Also they identify where they are lacking in their squad and buy players to plug the holes, this year 5/8 and fb were 2 positions filled with good players, one being a Parra junior btw.

What do we do, buy other teams cast offs, cheap players, but where has it gotten us? Fritchard, Vave and Matagi certainly haven't set the world on fire or played many games. French is struggling (needs to be dropped to ISC to gain more experience), Hoffman is just solid, both Taka and Auva'a are liabilities in defence, Moses another liability in D and goes missing too often, and most of our forwards are park standard players and too light so get dominated by bigger packs and no decent dh.

BA might be a good coach, BUT, until he stops being players friends and drops players for poor games, AND identifies decent talent we will continually be a mid table team.

Cleary in a little over a month has bought 3 good forwards and a couple of backs. I can guarantee these purchases will transform Tigers next year. What have we done, bought Evans (still not sold on him yet) and that's about all. So where are we? Still middle of the pack!!!! WTF.

We have a lot of young key players who will all be better next year. They will even be better by the end of this year. This is the benefit of recruiting youth - you don't need to sign new players to have a better team. You just need to stick with them.

 

[Djay]

Brisbane have an entire city to pick talent from with a bottomless pit of TPA's at they're disposal.

Comparing the Roosters to that of the Broncos is simply an unfair comparison.

The Roosters have done quite well considering they have such a small junior base, and tbh they have done as good as any team can in recent times in the clogged Sydney football market.

Teams have small periods to win premierships, and the Roosters have done it, they push the envelope by back ending contracts and squeezing in more talent into they're squad in certain years like they did in 13, and by the end of it they ultimately won the title with a few minor premierships to follow, then last year was they're rebuilding phase and now this year and next they will slowly build up for another tilt. It's as good as it is gonna get for a Sydney team IMO, only Brisbane and Melbourne can sustain success as long as they have it's almost impossible for Sydney teams to do it, but the Roosters to me have done it the best and as good as the market allows.

Imagine Sydney had one team like Brisbane, they would be a super power, it's actually ridiculous tbh and Brisbane needs another team ASAP IMO, they have an entire f**king city to they're disposal, no wonder they get 30,000+ every week, fans don't have much choice.

 

[Bazal]

Since the hindys days where every week a new jnr debut we have had little.
Hayne was a shining light but inu,mateo,reddy,mannah,smith?,keating. From 2003 till 2013 was not a lot of quality.
In the last 4 yrs we seen, Jnr Paulo, Terepo,Tepai,Bevan,Kaysa,Pauli,Moses,Alvaro,Matterson,Davis,Falou,Semi play first grade that was part of our system or talent scouting.

Of those Jnr, Semi,Moses,Bevan,Tepai,Matterson I reckon will have very good careers.

And all this in the last 4 yrs. I reckon its a good number and although i do no expect anyone to debut this year I reckon Stone, GL are a good chance next season while there is still hope for guys like Dargan, Dane Aka, Niakuore to burst onto the scene.

Yeah since Smith we've had a succession of coaches who didn't really care about juniors (Ando), were rubbish at identifying and nurturing them (SK) or focused on cleaning out the top squad (Sticky). The reason we have failed over the last decade is because juniors haven't been a priority for coaches at a club with more off field turmoil than a Stephen Dank trained unit.

People like Chipmunk want immediate success and seemingly target everything the club does as wrong in comparison to others. But the fact is no one was complaining about our juniors or the way we did things from the late 90s until about 2010. We have always utilised our own junior base as well as bringing in juniors from elsewhere. That's exactly what we're doing now. But because it doesn't instantly change our fortunes people with little idea want to follow in the footsteps of a mediocre club

 

[Bazal]

Brisbane have an entire city to pick talent from with a bottomless pit of TPA's at they're disposal.

Comparing the Roosters to that of the Broncos is simply an unfair comparison.

Well it's not, because the original claim was that a large junior base hasn't Nd won't help a club be as "successful" as the Roosters.

It was a very ill thought out claim, yes. But that was the claim and Brisbane are the obvious refutation

 

[hineyrulz]

Brisbane have an entire city to pick talent from with a bottomless pit of TPA's at they're disposal.

Comparing the Roosters to that of the Broncos is simply an unfair comparison.

The Roosters have done quite well considering they have such a small junior base, and tbh they have done as good as any team can in recent times in the clogged Sydney football market.

Teams have small periods to win premierships, and the Roosters have done it, they push the envelope by back ending contracts and squeezing in more talent into they're squad in certain years like they did in 13, and by the end of it they ultimately won the title with a few minor premierships to follow, then last year was they're rebuilding phase and now this year and next they will slowly build up for another tilt. It's as good as it is gonna get for a Sydney team IMO, only Brisbane and Melbourne can sustain success as long as they have it's almost impossible for Sydney teams to do it, but the Roosters to me have done it the best and as good as the market allows.

Imagine Sydney had one team like Brisbane, they would be a super power, it's actually ridiculous tbh and Brisbane needs another team ASAP IMO, they have an entire f**king city to they're disposal, no wonder they get 30,000+ every week, fans don't have much choice.

With the ridiculous leg ups they get, their junior talent base, fan base and their never ending TPA's plus the Thoroughbreds they really have been the biggest underachievers in the NRL.

The comp every year is set up for them on a platter actually it's hilarious their lack of success the last decade.

 

[Djay]

With the ridiculous leg ups they get, their junior talent base, fan base and their never ending TPA's plus the Thoroughbreds they really have been the biggest underachievers in the NRL.

The comp every year is set up for them on a platter actually it's hilarious their lack of success the last decade.

Let's be simply honest here, it's borderline embarrassing, one comp in 2006? And the one before that was 2000?

So with every bit of aid they get, they have really f**k all to show for it. I get that we cannot talk and I would kill for 1 premiership but with everything in they're favour that's quite the underachievement.

The day a second Brisbane team is born will be the day the Broncos will never be the same again, that silver spoon will be ripped from them.

They have done well in the sense they make the finals every year but they have nothing to show for it, hence why I think what the Roosters have achieved in the Sydney market, is much more admirable to that of a one club city super power who have won really nothing for 10 years.

 

[Bazal]

They have done well in the sense they make the finals every year but they have nothing to show for it, hence why I think what the Roosters have achieved in the Sydney market, is much more admirable to that of a one club city super power who have won really nothing for 10 years.

Classic Eels fan, championing mediocrity....

 

[hindy111]

With 16 teams maybe should win a title every 16yrs.
Its been 30 since our last.
If we didnt blow it against knights and storm where not cheating we have our two. Could argue 3 the year storm knocked us out in semi with cheating team.
Parra will be a powerhouse soon. With GWS and wanderers NRL need us to be.
I feel there is a good 10yrs ahead.

 

[Chipmunk]

We had 2, and only 2 imo, golden periods with our juniors. One was the late 70s and early 80s where our team, particularly our backline, was nearly all juniors with a couple of good recruits like Price, Cronin and Sterling.

The other was the 90s where Hayne, Inu and Mateo came thru together. But generally our team was pretty shit, and has remained that way since.

As I pointed out in another message, Hayne and Inu were actually recruited themselves into Parramatta and realistically should be considered juniors in only the same way that Bevan French is a junior.

 

[Bazal]

With 16 teams maybe should win a title every 16yrs.
Its been 30 since our last.
If we didnt blow it against knights and storm where not cheating we have our two. Could argue 3 the year storm knocked us out in semi with cheating team.
Parra will be a powerhouse soon. With GWS and wanderers NRL need us to be.
I feel there is a good 10yrs ahead.

You're speaking far too much sense today

The main things is the off field shit seems to be behind us. That changes everything. You cannot be a top club without a properly functioning administration, it really is that simple. Jack Gibson knew it and he's arguably the greatest coach of all time....

With the complete and total mismanagement hopefully over, we will hopefully stop changing coaches like underwear and allow BA to build a side. That in turn makes us more attractive to established players, more attractive to quality juniors, and a much better option for players of both levels already in our system to stay at. Even if BA doesn't win a competition, and lets face it Brisbane and Melbourne show us that actually winning a competition is a lot harder than some muppets here seem to think, it sets up the club for success. That's what we've lacked this last decade. Because we constantly had new coaches and a fractured off field set up we were constantly "re-building"....