Rumours and Stuff

[Delboy]

The real benefits will come ove the next 2 to 4 years, we wasted a lot of time through the DA/SK and RS regimes and plans to move our junior recruitment and retention to expected levels started when BA was appointed and Fieldsy started his role

We have seen players like Ray Stone and Greg Luiasone recruited and our own juniors who have quickly been moved into Wenty, and the promotion of younger players into NYC

BA and Joe Grima recently took around 20 of our 15/16 year old juniors on a 2 hours training session to make an initial observation of what was coming through, and were impressed. We have recruited the front row of the U16 NSW Origin team, and even though we are still outbid for our own 17 year olds at times ( Josh Curran was given a NRL size contract to join the roosters), there are moves to lock our younger players down.

These are massive changes to what was done previously, it will take a little time to come through. The ignoring of our juniors by coaches since Brian Smith and now given focus by BA has hurt, but we are seen as a good place for those inside and outside our own borders at last.

 

[Noise]

I'm pretty sure we were hearing the same thing about our improvements in junior talent identification/recruiting with SK famous academy.

The Roosters spend good money on identifying/poaching/developing good juniors. And they are been good at it for years. I don't see why we can't spend the same kind of money and do the same?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The problem is retaining these kids after NYC. With a coaching change you have a new recruitment team coming in looking for immediate changes to a poor roster, so they are looking for experienced first graders rather than rookies they barely know. Filling spare roster slots with external recruits leaves little room for signing players out of your own NYC team. The Roosters signed O'Sullivan for this exact reason - continuity between coaches. The Storm also built their dominant squad of ten years ago off the back of this guy. Maybe we should sign him?

 

[Bazal]

I agree it's a gamble (and I was shocked at the deals for these particular kids) but you can't deny the Roosters seem to do as good a job or better than most other clubs (particularly in Sydney) at identifying talent and bringing them through 20s and first grade and even origin! We really should be copying their system ... a system that works better than ours.

I honestly believe we have the right balance at the moment. Yes, we have struggled previously due to having the wrong men in the job and being a total basket case of a club, so we aren't reaping the rewards right now because obviously good juniors don't become NRL footballers overnight. But we ARE going out and buying potentially quality juniors. This season we've brought in Stone, GL, Niukore for example. We are also bringing juniors through the grades ourselves, like Dargan and Aukafolau and Afualo. We're just in a period between failing tremendously across the board and seeing the potential results from our juniors.

 

[Chipmunk]

Well they've made the finals more than the Roosters. And won fewer wooden spoons.

Or do you measure success differently?

Actually the Roosters have missed the 8 five times since 2007 so I guess you do measure success differently

That's the sort of comment only a Parra fan who's happy being mid table can make, because thats good enough for them.

So the mob with the biggest junior base in the country have one one comp and been in one other grand final since then, yet the mob with no real juniors base (Storm) virtually makes the top 4 every year.

But don't worry, Parra can just rely on their juniors to win comps, like we have dine for the past 30 years.

Where is the proven success of prioritising juniors again?

 

[emjaycee]

So surely that proves that our strategy compared to the Roosters is wrong.

From the current probable Top 17s from both teams this is what has come through either teams Under 20s or earlier,

Roosters
Mitchell, Kenny-Dowell, Pearce, Guerra, Auberson, Friend, Napa, Cordner, Watson, Evans, and Liu. (Takauako and Tetevano - I'll give them these)

Parramatta
French, Radradra, Moeroa, Pritchard, Mannah, (Alvaro - I'll give us this one, as I've given them the other two)

Four Origin players from the Roosters says enough for mine.

And Moses came through our juniors too

 

[Chipmunk]

I reckon everything comes down to money. I know a few kids who have gone to the roosters from a different system purely because they offered better deals - and these kids are only 15-16.

Well if there is no salary cap on buying kids at this age is it not smarter buying them younger?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

but we are seen as a good place for those inside and outside our own borders at last.

At last? Every manager wanted his kids in our Harold Matts team because it guaranteed good offers from other clubs for SG Ball.

Incidentally we just won our first SG Ball comp since 2007. We have won Harold Matts four times since then, with another three grand final losses.

 

[Chipmunk]

Well honestly at 15-16 every kid is a huge gamble...I would be against paying more than we do for any 16 year old unless they were doing the kinds of things Jarryd Hayne did at that age.

Yet this appears to work for the Roosters and more than likely this is also the strategy of the Storm.

 

[El Diablo]

As you can see, we were talking about large junior bases. Which Brisbane undeniably have. Not once was Queensland mentioned

another fail

seeing Brisbane's players have always come from all over Queensland one can only assume you are talking about the entire state

 

[Bazal]

That's the sort of comment only a Parra fan who's happy being mid table can make, because thats good enough for them.

So the mob with the biggest junior base in the country have one one comp and been in one other grand final since then, yet the mob with no real juniors base (Storm) virtually makes the top 4 every year.

But don't worry, Parra can just rely on their juniors to win comps, like we have dine for the past 30 years.

Where is the proven success of prioritising juniors again?

You're off your head mate, seriously. The Roosters have won one comp and one wooden spoon and missed the finals five times, and they're "successful" to you....yet you go off on that rubbish rant when I suggest that Brisbane are successful with the same number of premierships, zero spoons and three extra finals appearances?

The Broncos are a successful club. That is undeniable. They have a big junior base. That is also undeniable. They have more rep players than the Roosters. Once again, undeniable. You can rant all you like, but you cannot deny that Brisbane are more successful than the Roosters with a large junior base.

 

[Bazal]

another fail

seeing Brisbane's players have always come from all over Queensland one can only assume you are talking about the entire state

Lol. One wonders if you need a cassette tape to remind you to breathe....

 

[Noise]

And Moses came through our juniors too

I'm sure I could find it somewhere but how old was Moses when we let him go? And who were the halves in front of him at the time in 20s and/Or NSW cup?

 

[Bazal]

Yet this appears to work for the Roosters and more than likely this is also the strategy of the Storm.

Who have the Roosters signed as 15 year olds who have gone on to represent them at first grade level

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Sometimes I wonder if the level of a team's success has something to do with the amount of TPAs their players receive.

 

[Chipmunk]

You're off your head mate, seriously. The Roosters have won one comp and one wooden spoon and missed the finals five times, and they're "successful" to you....yet you go off on that rubbish rant when I suggest that Brisbane are successful with the same number of premierships, zero spoons and three extra finals appearances?

The Broncos are a successful club. That is undeniable. They have a big junior base. That is also undeniable. They have more rep players than the Roosters. Once again, undeniable. You can rant all you like, but you cannot deny that Brisbane are more successful than the Roosters with a large junior base.

Both setups are undeniably more successful than Parra over the last 10 years too.

Shall we move onto the Storms junior identification, recruitment, development and retention program?

Take your pick of all Premiers in the last decade. None of them have the junior base we do and all of them have better junior systems.

In fact outside of one team, none of the teams with large junior bases have had any sustained success over the last decade.

More indication of "why bother".

 

[Bazal]

Take your pick of all Premiers in the last decade. None of them have the junior base we do and all of them have better junior systems.

That's an outright lie and you know it. St George, Manly, and North QLD. Brisbane as well if you consider 2006 within ten years of the last complete NRL season. Souths junior catchment is nothing to sneeze at, neither is Cronulla.

You do yourself no favours by making shit up.

 

[Chipmunk]

Who have the Roosters signed as 15 year olds who have gone on to represent them at first grade level

Who cares? We've won countless upon countless 15 and 16 year old Premierships and f**k all of them have gone on to be NRL players at consistently Top 8 teams

Whats your point?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Who have the Roosters signed as 15 year olds who have gone on to represent them at first grade level

The Roosters mostly poach Harold Matthews age players (under 16) for their SG Ball team the following year, e.g. Cordner from the Knights.

 

[Chipmunk]

That's an outright lie and you know it. St George, Manly, and North QLD. Brisbane as well if you consider 2006 within ten years of the last complete NRL season. Souths junior catchment is nothing to sneeze at, neither is Cronulla.

You do yourself no favours by making shit up.

Go and find the junior numbers in the St George,Cronulla, Townsville, Manly, Melbourne and Parramatta and come back to me.