Rumours and Stuff

[Bazal]

Who cares? We've won countless upon countless 15 and 16 year old Premierships and f**k all of them have gone on to be NRL players at consistently Top 8 teams

Whats your point?

What's yours? You say that the Roosters approach is better, and that they sign 15 year olds for big money, but then say who cares about 15-16 year olds.

I'm not even sure you know what your own point is, tbh

 

[Bazal]

Go and find the junior numbers in the St George,Cronulla, Townsville, Manly, and Parramatta and come back to me.

You don't even have an argument anymore, do you? Who cares about exact numbers? All those clubs have relatively large junior catchments. All are certainly much larger than the Roosters, who are your benchmark. ALl are also as successful as the Roosters in terms of premierships won. Thus, your point that a large catchment is pointless is utterly false.

Why don't we go back to you explaining how Brisbane are less successful than the Roosters.

 

[Chipmunk]

What's yours? You say that the Roosters approach is better, and that they sign 15 year olds for big money, but then say who cares about 15-16 year olds.

I'm not even sure you know what your own point is, tbh

You're a typical delusional acceptor of mediocrity if you think that we've had as much success as the Roosters.

We've been a disgrace since 2010 and only once in that time have won more games in a season than we've lost.

But dude, you're obviously ok with that so there is little point in discussing further.

 

[Noise]

The Roosters mostly poach Harold Matthews age players (under 16) for their SG Ball team the following year, e.g. Cordner from the Knights.

And Pearce from the Bears

 

[Chipmunk]

You don't even have an argument anymore, do you? Who cares about exact numbers? All those clubs have relatively large junior catchments. All are certainly much larger than the Roosters, who are your benchmark. ALl are also as successful as the Roosters in terms of premierships won. Thus, your point that a large catchment is pointless is utterly false.

Why don't we go back to you explaining how Brisbane are less successful than the Roosters.

Given your thoughts on Parra's junior setup compared to the Roosters, shouldn't the Broncos be considerably more successful?

How have they not been as successful as a mob who have f**k all juniors in the Storm?

 

[Bazal]

You're a typical delusional acceptor of mediocrity if you think that we've had as much success as the Roosters.
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Where the actual f**k have I ever said that, you utter pillock? Go on, quote me.

You said the Roosters approach was better and that large catchments were useless and we should just copy the Roosters (a side who have missed the finals five times out of the last 10). I said that was nonsense and that a large catchment is just as beneficial. You disagreed. I showed you examples, you started lashing out like a child about "accepting mediocrity" rather than addressing a single point that I made....

Once again, please explain to me how Brisbane, with a large catchment, have been less successful than the Roosters.

 

[Bazal]

How have they not been as successful as a mob who have f**k all juniors in the Storm?

One legal premiership apiece. Not as successful indeed....

 

[Chipmunk]

Where the actual f**k have I ever said that, you utter pillock? Go on, quote me.

You said the Roosters approach was better and that large catchments were useless and we should just copy the Roosters (a side who have missed the finals five times out of the last 10). I said that was nonsense and that a large catchment is just as beneficial. You disagreed. I showed you examples, you started lashing out like a child about "accepting mediocrity" rather than addressing a single point that I made....

Once again, please explain to me how Brisbane, with a large catchment, have been less successful than the Roosters.

My argument is that you don't need a junior base to be successful and in fact would we have been any worse than we have been since 2009 if we had Zero juniors over that period?

I'd suggest having a large junior base hasnt helped us considering that only one player in our Top 17 came from our junior base.

 

[Bazal]

My argument is that you don't need a junior base to be successful and in fact would we have been any worse than we have been since 2009 if we had Zero juniors over that period?

I'd suggest having a large junior base hasnt helped us considering that only one player in our Top 17 came from our junior base.

Well I'd suggest that completely ignoring the other factors in our poor decade is almost as idiotic as El Diablo.....

And yes. Take out Jarryd Hayne, Feleti Mateo, Kris Inu, and so on during that time and we would be far less successful

 

[Chipmunk]

One legal premiership apiece. Not as successful indeed....

Missed the Top 8 once in over a decade and still won as many games in that season to finish in the Top 4.

In fact they've made the Top 8 as many times as we've missed the Top 8 since we've played them in a Grand Final.

 

[Chipmunk]

Well I'd suggest that completely ignoring the other factors in our poor decade is almost as idiotic as El Diablo.....

And yes. Take out Jarryd Hayne, Feleti Mateo, Kris Inu, and so on during that time and we would be far less successful

You mean the same Jarryd Hayne and Krisnan Inu who were originally recuited from outside of the Parramatta district?

 

[Bazal]

Missed the Top 8 once in over a decade and still won as many games in that season to finish in the Top 4.

In fact they've made the Top 8 as many times as we've missed the Top 8 since we've played them in a Grand Final.

So? You were comparing Melbourne and Brisbane....you are literally changing your argument with every post.

 

[Chipmunk]

So? You were comparing Melbourne and Brisbane....you are literally changing your argument with every post.

Why wouldn't I compare the more succesful juniorless Storm with the less than successful chock full of junior base Broncos to support my argument that a big junior base is of no advantage and has no evidence of bringing success?

 

[Bazal]

Why wouldn't I compare the more succesful juniorless Storm with the less than successful chock full of junior base Broncos to support my argument that a big junior base is of no advantage and has no evidence of bringing success?

One premiership each. That was your criteria when I said that Brisbane made more finals series than the Roosters. Premierships.

But you've changed that to finals appearances now. You have absolutely no concept of what you're talking about, you're just bastardising the facts and moving the goalposts every post to suit your opinion.

Let me spell it out for you. Many of the most successful clubs of the last ten years have large junior catchments. Two of them do not.

Personally? If you believe the Roosters are successful with one premiership, five years outside the finals, and one wooden spoon...then you are, in fact, the one actively espousing mediocrity. 50% finals appearances is literally the definition of mediocrity.

I want us to be Brisbane, not the Roosters. But if you're happy to be the mediocre Roosters that's your issue.

 

[Chipmunk]

One premiership each. That was your criteria when I said that Brisbane made more finals series than the Roosters. Premierships.

But you've changed that to finals appearances now. You have absolutely no concept of what you're talking about, you're just bastardising the facts and moving the goalposts every post to suit your opinion.

Let me spell it out for you. Many of the most successful clubs of the last ten years have large junior catchments. Two of them do not.

Personally? If you believe the Roosters are successful with one premiership, five years outside the finals, and one wooden spoon...then you are, in fact, the one actively espousing mediocrity. 50% finals appearances is literally the definition of mediocrity.

I want us to be Brisbane, not the Roosters. But if you're happy to be the mediocre Roosters that's your issue.

I want us to be the Storm, who whatever criteria you want to come up with (take your pick as I'm not fussed), have been considerbly more succesful than us over the past decade with probably as many junior players in the entire state of Victoria than what Parra has in probably in one club in their district.

But, you appear to be a traditional Parra fan who loves their juniors and mediocrity more than winning. You can have those juniors.

 

[Bazal]

I want us to be the Storm

We tried that. Same result, stripped of points....

You want us to essentially disregard the most fertile junior base in Sydney alongside Penrith because you refuse to understand that far worse things than junior retention have happened to this club in the last decade. That is utterly geniused.

 

[Chipmunk]

We tried that. Same result, stripped of points....

You want us to essentially disregard the most fertile junior base in Sydney alongside Penrith because you refuse to understand that far worse things than junior retention have happened to this club in the last decade. That is utterly geniused.

How successful have the two other Clubs with large junior bases in NSW, Panthers and Storm, been in the last decade?

What evidence do you have that a large junior base is going to give you more success compared to having a smaller junior base?

Surely you can't keep coming back to the Broncos, a one team town of 2 million odd people with a bottomless pit of TPAs at their disposal and a massive junior leagur as your only example compared to other clubs with success with no where near as many juniors.

 

[Chipmunk]

We tried that. Same result, stripped of points....

You want us to essentially disregard the most fertile junior base in Sydney alongside Penrith because you refuse to understand that far worse things than junior retention have happened to this club in the last decade. That is utterly geniused.

Juat as a matter of interest, has the Parramatta District junior competiton produced any other players outaide of Tim Mannah, Feliti Mateo and the Keating brothers in the past decade who have actually played consistent NRL level football for the Parramatta Eels?

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

We tried that. Same result, stripped of points....

You want us to essentially disregard the most fertile junior base in Sydney alongside Penrith because you refuse to understand that far worse things than junior retention have happened to this club in the last decade. That is utterly geniused.

Ryan Morgan's leaving was entirely the club's fault. The stupidity of that decision is rivalled only by the failure to offer Paul Vaughan a contract.

 

[hineyrulz]

I agree it's a gamble (and I was shocked at the deals for these particular kids) but you can't deny the Roosters seem to do as good a job or better than most other clubs (particularly in Sydney) at identifying talent and bringing them through 20s and first grade and even origin! We really should be copying their system ... a system that works better than ours.

Well it was set up by Brian Smith and O'Sullivan so we shouldn't be surprised. I can't see us spending extra on juniors like the Roosters do with someone like Max around.