Rumours and Stuff

[Joshuatheeel]

I heard on the radio the other day that the NRL won't let him play in Japan in the off-season. Why not? They didn't stop SBW. Do they even have the power to do that?

SBW didn't have a registered NRL contract semi does

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

SBW didn't have a registered NRL contract semi does

So the eels and semi agree to part ways at the end of the season, as long as he signs a contract that he will come back. So then he's free to leave, play in Japan, and when he comes back we send his new contract to the NRL ?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

We could release him, but his contract to come back isn't binding until the NRL signs off on it. That leaves him free to f**k off and leave us holding our dick.

 

[hineyrulz]

We could release him, but his contract to come back isn't binding until the NRL signs off on it. That leaves him free to f**k off and leave us holding our dick.

Yep, we are screwed either way, best case senario he comes back and we get one more year out of him before he pisses off to Overseas Yawnion.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

We could release him, but his contract to come back isn't binding until the NRL signs off on it. That leaves him free to f**k off and leave us holding our dick.

We could sign him to a contract to perform a juggling act at children's parties, with a clause that says if either party wishes to convert it to a contract to play in the NRL then it must be done.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yep, we are screwed either way, best case senario he comes back and we get one more year out of him before he pisses off to Overseas Yawnion.

Even if he stayed after this contract we would have to pay market price. It's likely we would get better value out of any other winger. Unless he's a key member of our leadership group there's no imperative to keep him around when his current contract ends.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

So the eels and semi agree to part ways at the end of the season, as long as he signs a contract that he will come back. So then he's free to leave, play in Japan, and when he comes back we send his new contract to the NRL ?

They won't wear that (in terms of an 'upfront' strategy). That's effectively a loan move in the off-season, and if allowed would open a pretty obvious method of getting round the cap.

If a player was actually released, and subsequently decided to come back it would probably be ok.....but setting the whole thing up in advance is unlikely to 'wash'.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

They won't wear that (in terms of an 'upfront' strategy). That's effectively a loan move in the off-season, and if allowed would open a pretty obvious method of getting round the cap.

If a player was actually released, and subsequently decided to come back it would probably be ok.....but setting the whole thing up in advance is unlikely to 'wash'.

How is it a method of getting around the cap? Because we would pay less as we have him for a shorter time?(even though he wouldn't miss a game) Is this what you mean because I don't see it as a rort at all. And why would the NRL have a problem with this now?

 

[Suitman]

Even if he stayed after this contract we would have to pay market price. It's likely we would get better value out of any other winger.

How could we better value out of any other winger considering Semi is the best we've had since Eric Grothe Snr (Hayne withstanding)?
Paying a lesser winger a lower salary doesn't equate better value.
Semi is a rare commodity, and I don't go for this crap that wingers should be paid less.
He does stuff that others can't or could never do.
That means he's worth more.
I'm not saying the we should pay him what he or his manager wants, but he is worth more to the Eels than just his salary and a normal wingers salary at that.
He'll pay us back in merchandise and season tickets and publicity easily.
Radradra is also a marketing tool.

 

[Chipmunk]

Radradra sounds like it's all about the coin. Release him tomorrow and move on. We need players who at best want to play rugby league.

I doubt we'll lose any sleep about it in the long run.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

How is it a method of getting around the cap? Because we would pay less as we have him for a shorter time?(even though he wouldn't miss a game) Is this what you mean because I don't see it as a rort at all. And why would the NRL have a problem with this now?

How are you going to police additional payments received by the player when he is not on an NRL contract? How are you going to determine who the player plays for while away from the NRL, and who it really is that is paying them? Particularly if a bloke goes to a British club and is then paid through trusts set up in the British Virgin Islands. What if he goes to play in the Russel Crowe Invitational Sevens comp, and gets paid $500k for a months worth of playing for the Orara Valley Axemen?

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

How are you going to police additional payments received by the player when he is not on an NRL contract? How are you going to determine who the player plays for while away from the NRL, and who it really is that is paying them? Particularly if a bloke goes to a British club and is then paid through trusts set up in the British Virgin Islands. What if he goes to play in the Russel Crowe Invitational Sevens comp, and gets paid $500k for a months worth of playing for the Orara Valley Axemen?

Can't you pay them illegally anyway, even while they have an NRL contract? Considering the NRL don't have access to tax records.

Other than that, please shut up, Barry.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

And for all I know the Orara Valley could be paved with gold just waiting to be prized up.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Can't you pay them illegally anyway, even while they have an NRL contract? Considering the NRL don't have access to tax records.

Other than that, please shut up, Barry.

Of course you can always lie.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

How could we better value out of any other winger considering Semi is the best we've had since Eric Grothe Snr (Hayne withstanding)?

Because value means getting more football for less cost on the cap. It's only partly related to how good the player is.

Paying a lesser winger a lower salary doesn't equate better value.

I agree it doesn't necessarily equate to better value, but it potentially does, and the more Radradra is getting paid, the higher the likelihood that another winger would be better value.

It can only be illustrated by a hypothetical, so you'll have to put up with it. Suppose, at the end of this contract, that Radradra is worth $600k/year. Then suppose we re-sign him for that much. We would be getting the same value out of him as we would a winger worth $100k, who was earning $100k. Obviously Radradra would still be a much better player, but the cost of having him over the hypothetical $100k winger would be $500k less talent elsewhere in the team. That is potentially five extra players in your defensive line worth $100k compared to five players worth $200k. And I concede this is only talking about players earning exactly what they're worth. Any given player is probably not earning exactly what they are worth, instead probably earning more or less.

Which brings us back to the hypothetical winger earning $100k. As soon as he is providing more than $100k of football he is giving more value than the hypothetical Semi Radradra on $600k.

Semi is a rare commodity, and I don't go for this crap that wingers should be paid less.
He does stuff that others can't or could never do.
That means he's worth more.
I'm not saying the we should pay him what he or his manager wants, but he is worth more to the Eels than just his salary and a normal wingers salary at that.
He'll pay us back in merchandise and season tickets and publicity easily.
Radradra is also a marketing tool.

Unfortunately none of that stuff provides value under the cap, so it should be rewarded outside of it.

 

[strider]

I think value is heavily related to how good a player is ... parra could get great value out of me playing for a pie n coke after each game .... of course i would probably let in 5 tries a game ... so maybe not great value after all

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Of course you can always lie.

Then it's lucky that rugby league doesn't attract those types.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

I think value is heavily related to how good a player is ... parra could get great value out of me playing for a pie n coke after each game .... of course i would probably let in 5 tries a game ... so maybe not great value after all

Well if they're only feeding you pies and coke then how do they expect you to compete?

 

[strider]

Well if they're only feeding you pies and coke then how do they expect you to compete?

Thats right - hardly my fault - doing the best i can in trying conditions

 

[yy_cheng]

Could we say pay a lady $375k to buy a biro and get her to pay semi $350k as a tpa?