Rumours and Stuff

[Poupou Escobar]

How so?

Because if it wasn't recorded there won't be any record for taxation accounting.

 

[emjaycee]

Maybe a massive reward for whistleblowers isn't a bad idea then.
$5 million for anyone who comes forward with info which leads to clubs getting busted. Who's going to turn down that kind of cash?
The fine goes towards the reward.

I was led to believe that at one stage last year, one of our Board Members offered to pay double the fine (another $M) if it was used exclusively to conduct the similar level of investigation into other clubs as imposed on us. For some reason the NRL rejected the offer. Go figure.

 

[Chipmunk]

Because if it wasn't recorded there won't be any record for taxation accounting.

Well taxation has got nothing to do with the State Government, but nonetheless, how do you prove there was a transaction of there is no record?

 

[T.S Quint]

I was led to believe that at one stage last year, one of our Board Members offered to pay double the fine (another $M) if it was used exclusively to conduct the similar level of investigation into other clubs as imposed on us. For some reason the NRL rejected the offer. Go figure.

Well they couldn't have that could they.
That would probably mean half the clubs in the the League would get found to be cheating, and the NRL would look like fools.

 

[Happy MEel]

There were 2 Parra Directors who continually wanted to come forward and self-report (that's what triggers the moratorium) and they were out voted each time.... allegedly.

Is there a guaranteed moratorium clause set out in the code of conduct, which indicates fines and points deductions can be waived? If so, the other directors are insane!!

 

[emjaycee]

Is there a guaranteed moratorium clause set out in the code of conduct, which indicates fines and points deductions can be waived? If so, the other directors are insane!!

I don't think it is as specific as saying fines and points deductions can be waived.
It does refer to individual immunity from punishment (i.e. de-registration) however the fact that all other penalties are at the discretion of the NRL CEO, it is possible to infer that fines and points deductions could be waived.
IIRC there are examples of clubs self-reporting and not being fined (because they self-reported) however keep in mind the level of our cap discretion and the attitude of individuals had a lot to play in the severity of our punishment.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well taxation has got nothing to do with the State Government

You'll note I used lowercase state government to indicate the government of the state, the state being Australia.

but nonetheless, how do you prove there was a transaction of there is no record?

Because there will be a discrepancy in the books. Obviously this could be offset by not recording an identical level of income (i.e. handing over a bag of cash pulled out of the poker machines or the merch store) and if they're smart that's what they've done.

 

[hindy111]

So you want another middle forward with little impact in attack and no offload but will tackle their arses off. Charlie Gubb fits that to a tee, another absolute plodder.
I'd prefer a forward with impact and a good offload and reasonable tackler. Imo its best to score more tries than the opposition rather than try to stop more tries being scored by opposition.
As the season goes on our defence seems to have improved but our attack is spluttering along. We never appear to be able to blow teams off the park and our final quarter has been abysmal, where we appear to be tackling for 18 mins out of the 20!

Therefor we need to improve our attack which will place the opposition under more stress. As a consequence our defence will improve as the opposition have less energy to attack.

Normams form is part of this though and a hooker not adding a lot in attack.
We need a Graheme style imo.

 

[Chipmunk]

You'll note I used lowercase state government to indicate the government of the state, the state being Australia.

Because there will be a discrepancy in the books. Obviously this could be offset by not recording an identical level of income (i.e. handing over a bag of cash pulled out of the poker machines or the merch store) and if they're smart that's what they've done.

But if its cash from outside of the entity then it will be near impossible to locate.

 

[hindy111]

Manly thing will blow over. Last thing nrl needs is another cap crisis.

 

[Eelementary]

Manly thing will blow over. Last thing nrl needs is another cap crisis.

I don't know how if I can agree with that; if there is some dodgy dealings found at Manly (of a serious enough magnitude), and if the NRL turn a blind eye to it/let it blow over, then I can't see Parramatta or Melbourne lying down and taking it.

Why should Melbourne and Parramatta be punished, but Manly get away with a slap on the wrist?

This is of course all assuming that Manly are guilty, and that they have committed serious offences - but the NRL allowing it to blow over would open a serious legal can of worms.

 

[Chipmunk]

I don't know how if I can agree with that; if there is some dodgy dealings found at Manly (of a serious enough magnitude), and if the NRL turn a blind eye to it/let it blow over, then I can't see Parramatta or Melbourne lying down and taking it.

Why should Melbourne and Parramatta be punished, but Manly get away with a slap on the wrist?

This is of course all assuming that Manly are guilty, and that they have committed serious offences - but the NRL allowing it to blow over would open a serious legal can of worms.

I would be very surprised if Manly were stupid enough to:
1. audio record their board meetings where they talk about breaching the salary cap and place them on a hard drive; and
2. put possible salary cap indiscretions in their board minutes

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

The irony is that our inexperience with cheating is what screwed us. Also the f**ken rat.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Well they couldn't have that could they.
That would probably mean half the clubs in the the League would get found to be cheating, and the NRL would look like fools.

Yep, but in reality the only fools were Parramatta - couldn't even cheat the cap properly like everyone else.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

But if its cash from outside of the entity then it will be near impossible to locate.

It would depend on what they claim on their tax return. If they treat the payments as non-deductible expenditure, then the tax office would likely never find out. If they claim the payments as deductibles, then they have to be classified as wages/salaries/some other deductible expense etc. If they get audited, and there was false invoicing involved, then there's a chance that they'd get sprung. Whether the tax office particularly care (given that the expenditure would be of a deductible nature anyway) is another question.

 

[hineyrulz]

Yep, but in reality the only fools were Parramatta - couldn't even cheat the cap properly like everyone else.

Yep like everything else at this club the last 7 years we were even shit at cheating.

 

[Gronk]

There is some News Ltd fake outrage this morning following an ATO ruling which surrounds elite sportsmerkins.

News Ltd are quoting Mick who got up at 5am. Mick is outraged that Buddy Franklin can now shift 10% of his gross income into a private trust and be taxed at 27.5%.

 

[84 Baby]

Well taxation has got nothing to do with the State Government

Just because you enjoy being precise with other people's post, there are several State Govt taxes, plus federal taxes indirectly affect State Govt

 

[Eelementary]

I would be very surprised if Manly were stupid enough to:
1. audio record their board meetings where they talk about breaching the salary cap and place them on a hard drive; and
2. put possible salary cap indiscretions in their board minutes

So would I - and yet, their offices were raided by police, so whatever is going on there is no joke.

 

[Gronk]

So would I - and yet, their offices were raided by police, so whatever is going on there is no joke.

Wasn't this police investigation bc of the match fixing allegations? How do we know that the cash payments have more to do with match fixing rather than salary cap dodginess ?