Rumours and Stuff

[Chipmunk]

Lol.

Put Semi Radradra in the worst team in the Canberra competition and he'll score ten tries and win the game. Your point is awful and you should be embarrassed

No he wouldn't. I've seen quite a few top level rugby league players return to play at a lower level. They contribute alot, but they don't individually blow teams away like a baseball or cricket player could.

Gavin Miller was a prime example after he returned to Goulburn only a year or two after playing for Australia. Looking at the current Canberra comp, Terry Campese is no superstar. Rugby League takes more than the individual.

For example, just because you put Cam Smith and Jesse Bromwich in the Wenty Team wouldn't make them capable of even remotely being able to compete at NRL level. But put Dave Warner and Mitchell Starc in your little club team and they'd be capable of beating plenty of Big Bash Teams on their day.

But hey, my argument is not about rugby league, its about cricket and baseball being similarly about the efforts of individuals performance rather than a group of individuals performing collectively. You've still not bought any argument to the table that contradicts that and I doubt you can.

 

[Chipmunk]

Mostly because of that 162 game component. Batters will get 600 at bats a season, pitchers will face up to 800 batters. Those sorts of numbers allow for more accurate stats. Plus professional cricket is mostly played country vs country where the money saving part of the equation is also less necessary

Well the country v country thing is just the stuff that gets televised (up until recently). Most of the money appears tp be moving to club cricket (i.e Big Bash, IPL, Caribbean) where I think they'll look at that kind of stuff more. Cricket is still alot about the individual.

 

[Bazal]

No he wouldn't. I've seen quite a few top level rugby league players return to play at a lower level. They contribute alot, but they don't individually blow teams away like a baseball or cricket player could.

Gavin Miller was a prime example after he returned to Goulburn only a year or two after playing for Australia. Looking at the current Canberra comp, Terry Campese is no superstar. Rugby League takes more than the individual.

For example, just because you put Cam Smith and Jesse Bromwich in the Wenty Team wouldn't make them capable of even remotely being able to compete at NRL level. But put Dave Warner and Mitchell Starc in your little club team and they'd be capable of beating plenty of Big Bash Teams on their day.

But hey, my argument is not about rugby league, its about cricket and baseball being similarly about the efforts of individuals performance rather than a group of individuals performing collectively. You've still not bought any argument to the table that contradicts that and I doubt you can.

Serious question. Are you one of those stupids?

You are comparing putting Cameron Smith into a semi professional football side (Wentworthville) in the second best tier of the sport in the country, with putting Mitchell Starc into a second grade club side.

You seriously reckon adding two players beats a Big Bash side even once? You've got rocks in your head. I get in the nets against some of the first grade quicks and I can't see the thing. They bowl about 130km. You reckon Warner and Starc make up for nine blokes who can't see the f**king ball and who are sending down at best 120km mediums to professionals? Complete horseshit and the entire reason you "don't think I can" provide you with an argument that contradicts your view. You simply don't understand the subject

Oh BTW, Campos team won the comp

 

[hineyrulz]

Talking cricket in the rumours thread, that’s a Paddlin!

 

[Bazal]

Talking cricket in the rumours thread, that’s a Paddlin!

Well there's no f**ken rumours!

 

[hineyrulz]

Well there's no f**ken rumours!

We need to bring back Sharpie and Spags to save the rumours thread.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Talking cricket in the rumours thread, that’s a Paddlin!

Shhhh. Don't make them move to the non footy chat thread.

 

[Bazal]

Shhhh. Don't make them move to the non footy chat thread.

Don't worry bruh, I'm done with the discussion. I keep forgetting how ridiculous discussing anything with Chipmunk is.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well given that two of them came from Brisbane and the Broncos apparently showed little interest when they were younger

But the Broncos don't need to show a lot of interest to recruit a stable full of potential first graders into their junior teams. Or at least they didn't back at the turn of the century when they recruited these guys. Nowadays every club recruits in greater Brisbane. Canberra got Anthony Milford as a youngster as well. The Broncos didn't care. When they needed him in their first grade side they got him. Letting other clubs sign Brisbane juniors is little different from sending players out on loan. They'll probably get Ash Taylor back too, better for the past couple of years experience.

 

[Chipmunk]

Serious question. Are you one of those stupids?

You are comparing putting Cameron Smith into a semi professional football side (Wentworthville) in the second best tier of the sport in the country, with putting Mitchell Starc into a second grade club side.

You seriously reckon adding two players beats a Big Bash side even once? You've got rocks in your head. I get in the nets against some of the first grade quicks and I can't see the thing. They bowl about 130km. You reckon Warner and Starc make up for nine blokes who can't see the f**king ball and who are sending down at best 120km mediums to professionals? Complete horseshit and the entire reason you "don't think I can" provide you with an argument that contradicts your view. You simply don't understand the subject

Oh BTW, Campos team won the comp

Anyway, enough of the side track tangent argument that had nothing to do with the original comment that baseball and cricket are both about the individual, do you have any argument at all to contradict this?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

You win cricket games by building partnerships. Simple as that. Batting partnerships and bowling partnerships. You win cricket games by fielding as a unit. These are the most basic tenets of the game ffs. Just because one bloke gets MOTM for scoring a hundred doesn't mean that his individual performance has won the game. It's the 250 runs in partnerships that he and the other batsmen have built that have done that.

Baseball does not have that element.

You ever seen a triple-play Baz? Plenty of team work in that. With respect to fielding, there's more teamwork in baseball than cricket. But that's where it ends. Though, when batting, the biggest hitting superstar won't win you much if the blokes in front of him never get on base.

 

[84 Baby]

Well then you have to go into coaches having an input into cricket too. Blokes aren't running drinks out to the skipper between overs in the field just because they want to ask how his day is going

I'm simply stating the obvious that baseball, in terms of team dynamic, is much less team oriented than cricket. You are a batter, you walk out alone, you have a few swings and you either hit it, get hit or get out. You don't have to worry about working with another batter. Even stealing bases has nothing to do with teamwork, it's basically how sneaky the individual is. Same for a pitcher. He has more of a partnership deal going with the catcher but it's nothing like a bowling unit.

Anyway the original point was that baseball moneyball shenanigans can be easily applied to cricket, which is utterly false

How many other sports have coaches inside the field of play while the game is being played?
And baserunners still work with the batters and base coaches to increase chance of stolen base. In fact at even a moderate level if they don’t then they get out. Pitchers, catchers and the rest of the fielders need teamwork to stop runners advancing beside the obvious teamwork between pitcher/catcher.
But really there’s bugger all teamwork in either sport.

 

[84 Baby]

And really moneyball is about using stats to lower salary but remain highly competitive. No other sport has the available stat numbers or salary constraints to make it feasible. Cricket might be closest in stats but currently they don’t really need the salary savings

 

[strider]

Because I've played it since I was eight years old, and won two senior premierships as a captain (with a better than 70% win record)...? What makes you believe it's so simple?

Baseball is a bloke having to put a ball in a perfect swinging arc, hitting into a natural v, with no interference from environmental factors

Cricket is 360 degrees, the bowler hits the ground producing huge variations, he can knock the batsmans head off and attack his body quite legally, mentally a batsman must be prepared to be there for hours or days rather than 4 pitches max....it's incredibly complicated and that's even without getting in to your clear lack of understanding of the team component of the game

How can you make the judgement unless you've played baseball since you were 8 years old, captained 2 senior premierships etc etc?

I think you are overstating the fielding teamwork aspect vs baseball - baseball has just as much a teamwork aspect to its fielding as cricket, just different things.

I would definitely agree batting in cricket is much more team oriented .... bowling .... maybe on par.

I would tend to say most american team sports are more technical and individual oriented ... cos thats the way the yanks like it

 

[Gronk]

You guys are catching on.
* No spaggs factions = no leaks = zero rumors.

The truth hurts !

Prozhenko's ratings are now non existent along with a few others.

Failling Proshenks ratings are like we've never seen before ! Sad !

 

[Gary Gutful]

You guys are catching on.
* No spaggs factions = no leaks = zero rumors.

The truth hurts !

Prozhenko's ratings are now non existent along with a few others.

When are you planning on catching on?

 

[Joshuatheeel]

You guys are catching on.
* No spaggs factions = no leaks = zero rumors.

The truth hurts !

Prozhenko's ratings are now non existent along with a few others.

Well Proz did have a rumour the other day which you claimed as your own pretending you had inside info on nospam46!!

 

[Joshuatheeel]

That Dargan to the Broncos rumor was here long before Prozhenks even thought of tweeting it.

You see now he sifts through sites like these for material, whilst in previous years he was an Eels factions c*€k smoker.

Really? Didn't see it posted anywhere here or nospam46 until he had tweeted the info

 

[Snoochies]

Maybe, but after Boyd / slater who is next in line for fullback? Norman is probably the same in order for both spots.

Cricket is far more complex than baseball. There are far more variables and team work is vital.

Then you have no clue about Baseball.

 

[Snoochies]

For every hit in Baseball, wether infield or outfield there is an entire playbook for each and every situation from cut offs, backing plays and pre empting the runners on base based in their speed. You need to field in different formations based on the hitters count, number of out and what pitch is being thrown.
That little thing in Cricket where the ball is heading towards the fence and their is a trail runner running behind the fielder and the lead fielder flicks it up to him, yep came from Baseball after Mike Young, ex Aussie fielding coach brought his baseball skills to the team. Now everyone is doing it.

I like Cricket, have played the game as well and one is more a game of attrition to survive and the other is chess, moving the peices around the board and out smarting your opponent. You only need to look at the stats in Baseball to realise how much goes on in the game and the strategy is too hard for people to understand.