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[Obscene Assassin]

But would we have had 40% possession with bigger forwards able to assert some dominance? We were behind 24-0 after 24 minutes. We couldn't even defend for 24 mins FFS!!!!!

Bigger forwards doesn't stop Auva'a from dropping the ball on the first tackle. Bigger forwards doesn't stop us giving away an offside penalty after our first set. Having bigger forwards doesn't stop the 40/20 dce kicked. Bigger forwards doesn't stop Moses throwing the ball over the sideline looking for the miracle play.

Just, for once, before you post stop and think about what you're about to post.

 

[TheRam]

@TheRam always thinks the grass is greener on the other side of the fence.

I didn't say they were a better team then us. Not by a long shot. Our coach has had 5 years to assemble this squad and other then a couple of short comings in the forwards and a winger short, it is one hell of a squad.

Cleary has had half a season and an off season to assemble his. So they are far from the finished product.

The real question though is in regards to the coaches. I rate Arthur as a coach fairly highly. But he still make nonsensical errors in judgment from time to time, which ultimately holds back the progress of this team. But he being a Parra man through and through makes him the ideal coach for our team and at this point I don't want any other person coaching the team.

But that only gets him so far. If he can't pinpoint the issues of this squad quickly and recover the season and make the eight and then give the title a real shake, then maybe we should start to look elsewhere for success.If we were to look for a new coach though, I don't rate anyone currently on the market very highly at all. Cleary to me was the best coach, better then Arthur in my opinion, at this stage anyway and now he has been snapped up.

But what is plainly obvious to most, besides Pou and Co, is that size matters. We have lost Semi from the backline and up to this point, Hayne(not blaming him at this point) hasn't contributed much at all. And the forwards, which have been screaming out for size for a couple of years at least now, are still to be address.

Does anyone in their right mind think that Bellamy, would have opted for Evans and T-Rex a player that has achieved F-all for the last 5 seasons+ and coming off an ACL that kept him out for the previous season as his only recruits, after being dominated by the bigger packs during the previous season?

 

[eel01s]

Bigger forwards doesn't stop Auva'a from dropping the ball on the first tackle. Bigger forwards doesn't stop us giving away an offside penalty after our first set. Having bigger forwards doesn't stop the 40/20 dce kicked. Bigger forwards doesn't stop Moses throwing the ball over the sideline looking for the miracle play.

Just, for once, before you post stop and think about what you're about to post.

Also doesn't stop Hayne and King dropping the ball over the tryline.

 

[Bazal]

Does anyone in their right mind think that Bellamy, would have opted for Evans and T-Rex a player that has achieved F-all for the last 5 seasons+ and coming off an ACL that kept him out for the previous season as his only recruits, after being dominated by the bigger packs during the previous season?

OMG you're right! Bellamy definitely wouldn't have signed players he considered potential value...just like he never signed Bryan Norrie, or Matt White, or an ageing Jason Ryles, or Alex Chan, or Dennis Scott, or Ian Donnelly, or Ben Cross, or Ryan Tandy, or John Kite, or Jaiman Lowe, or Adam Woolnough, or Siosaia Vave....

 

[TheRam]

Who is your 3?

Bellamy, Bennett, Cleary, then Green and Robinson. Can't split them 2 at this stage.

But Cleary is my favourite coach. I just love the way all his teams play. Every man knows his job. All his teams play as a team and to their full potential, even when it is an ordinary roster. Just an exceptional coach.

Funny thing was all those years ago when he first became a coach at the Warriors, I watched his first press conference and was not impressed at all. He was very low key, quiet, almost mumbled, not much of a talker at all. Not impressive whatsoever.

Thought to myself, what a low energy uninspiring choice. The Warriors will be stuffed with that bloke setting the tone. Well that book cover sure fooled me.

 

[Glenneel]

Does anyone in their right mind think that Bellamy, would have opted for Evans and T-Rex a player that has achieved F-all for the last 5 seasons+ and coming off an ACL that kept him out for the previous season as his only recruits, after being dominated by the bigger packs during the previous season?

Yes Pou and his cohorts must think I'm an idiot for banging on about bigger, quality middle forwards yet every coach has bought into their squads bigger players. They all must be idiots too so all the armchair coaches know better than the 16 NRL coaches.
Even BA bought in a couple of bigger bodies but they are poor choices compared to what was available. Now I hope to be proven wrong with Williams and Evans but if, a bloody big if, they can play to their former potential our team will go better.

 

[TheRam]

Agreed, and more to the point, the application of their opponents has not been outstanding, despite their superior class. It is round two. There are always upsets this time of year.

Any coach who was unemployed for over a year and then ended up at the Tigers was not in demand.

For the life of me I could not understand 1, Why Gould got rid of him, will probably go down as one the dumbest decision since Canterbury let Thurston go and 2, Why he was unemployed for so long?

I was secretly hoping that he would have gone over to England for a season or two, so in case we were looking to change coaches, he would be available. Oh well that birdy has flown now.

 

[TheRam]

OMG you're right! Bellamy definitely wouldn't have signed players he considered potential value...just like he never signed Bryan Norrie, or Matt White, or an ageing Jason Ryles, or Alex Chan, or Dennis Scott, or Ian Donnelly, or Ben Cross, or Ryan Tandy, or John Kite, or Jaiman Lowe, or Adam Woolnough, or Siosaia Vave....

I didn't mean that he wouldn't sign them alone as his ONLY two options when it comes to quality size.

 

[Bazal]

I didn't mean that he wouldn't sign them alone as his ONLY two options when it comes to quality size.

Evans was one of the best big props available...why do people think you can just magically get the exact player you want?

Do you think Bellamy would have passed on them, let the squad stagnate and hoped someone better came along?

 

[Soren Lorenson]

Even BA bought in a couple of bigger bodies but they are poor choices compared to what was available. Now I hope to be proven wrong with Williams and Evans but if, a bloody big if, they can play to their former potential our team will go better.

And then, they'd turn into good choices. And when the Tigers implode, as I'm sure a team of mediocre talent can't sustain a start like they have had, Matulino and Packer will be the poor choices.
The point is, you are crucifying us based on two admittedly poor games, but not applying the same logic to the Tigers.

Oh and yes, if players play to their potential their team generally will go better.

 

[TheRam]

Evans was one of the best big props available...why do people think you can just magically get the exact player you want?

Do you think Bellamy would have passed on them, let the squad stagnate and hoped someone better came along?

Jordan McLean would have been my Choice. Sure double the price, but if the Cows can afford him so should we be able to.

Magic has nothing to do with it. Great recruitment and cash generally do though.

 

[TheRam]

Oh we haven't addressed our dummy half issues either. BA should have gone hard on better options then what he has at present in his 5 years at our club. There were plenty of opportunities.

 

[Stevie]

Hot tip. Wait till we lose this weekend and then bet the FKN house on the Eels when they've blown out in the tipping!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I didn't say they were a better team then us. Not by a long shot. Our coach has had 5 years to assemble this squad and other then a couple of short comings in the forwards and a winger short, it is one hell of a squad.

Cleary has had half a season and an off season to assemble his. So they are far from the finished product.

The real question though is in regards to the coaches. I rate Arthur as a coach fairly highly. But he still make nonsensical errors in judgment from time to time, which ultimately holds back the progress of this team. But he being a Parra man through and through makes him the ideal coach for our team and at this point I don't want any other person coaching the team.

But that only gets him so far. If he can't pinpoint the issues of this squad quickly and recover the season and make the eight and then give the title a real shake, then maybe we should start to look elsewhere for success.If we were to look for a new coach though, I don't rate anyone currently on the market very highly at all. Cleary to me was the best coach, better then Arthur in my opinion, at this stage anyway and now he has been snapped up.

Hasler and Maguire have won three premierships between them.

But what is plainly obvious to most, besides Pou and Co, is that size matters. We have lost Semi from the backline and up to this point, Hayne(not blaming him at this point) hasn't contributed much at all. And the forwards, which have been screaming out for size for a couple of years at least now, are still to be address.

Does anyone in their right mind think that Bellamy, would have opted for Evans and T-Rex a player that has achieved F-all for the last 5 seasons+ and coming off an ACL that kept him out for the previous season as his only recruits, after being dominated by the bigger packs during the previous season?

He signed Kasiano. His only other big forward is NAS.

The reason he has two big forwards rather than just the one from previous years is because he knows he can’t rely on Brodie Croft like he could with Cronk.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yes Pou and his cohorts must think I'm an idiot for banging on about bigger, quality middle forwards yet every coach has bought into their squads bigger players. They all must be idiots too so all the armchair coaches know better than the 16 NRL coaches.
Even BA bought in a couple of bigger bodies but they are poor choices compared to what was available. Now I hope to be proven wrong with Williams and Evans but if, a bloody big if, they can play to their former potential our team will go better.

Exactly. Evans and Williams (and Vave) are exactly the type of forwards Bellamy buys.

 

[Bazal]

Jordan McLean would have been my Choice. Sure double the price, but if the Cows can afford him so should we be able to.

Magic has nothing to do with it. Great recruitment and cash generally do though.

So you'd better their 600k (or so) offer. Ok. Why would that make him an Eel?

Would you also relocate his missus' family from Northern QLD? After all, that was a big factor in him choosing the Cowboys. Put him up outside Sydney, a place he didn't want to move to for personal reasons? Might make things tough for him and the club.

Who knows, maybe paying overs would have swayed this particular player. Point is sometimes you can splash all the cash you like and still not get your man...FFS some of you lot think it's as simple as put a contract in front of a bloke, if he doesn't like that one add a zero and boom, he's an Eels player.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

And then, they'd turn into good choices. And when the Tigers implode, as I'm sure a team of mediocre talent can't sustain a start like they have had, Matulino and Packer will be the poor choices.
The point is, you are crucifying us based on two admittedly poor games, but not applying the same logic to the Tigers.

Oh and yes, if players play to their potential their team generally will go better.

And it’s obvious that attitude has been responsible for our start. Merkins blaming the size of our pack are just opportunists pushing their agenda.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Jordan McLean would have been my Choice. Sure double the price, but if the Cows can afford him so should we be able to.

Says whom? You don’t think that club is flush with TPAs? They are packed with rep players yet still manage to sign more. Why do so many Storm players end up there? Do they perhaps have the same TPA providers?

Magic has nothing to do with it. Great recruitment and cash generally do though.

Cash is the key point here.

 

[Snoochies]

Remember when Guthersen was a dud buy after 2 games.

 

[Twizzle]

yeah f**k it, lets just go out and buy the biggest and best forwards in the comp then sack BA for not doing just that