Rumours and Stuff

[Poupou Escobar]

I believe running backwards doesn't just count as a loss of metres, but a loss of an actual run as well.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It's more about picking and choosing a stat from one site or the other to emphasise the argument. You should always use it from one source or indicate that they're from different sources.

I don't think it matters. Anyone wanting to make a counter-argument also has multiple sets of stats to choose from. The difference between the sets doesn't matter very much.

 

[Chipmunk]

I believe running backwards doesn't just count as a loss of metres, but a loss of an actual run as well.

What if you ran backwards and passed it and the guy scored?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

What if you ran backwards and passed it and the guy scored?

That wouldn't be a run. That'd be a pass

 

[strider]

Statistics mean little. They only offer clues to the root cause. What was the root cause? Fatigue? Lack of confidence? Looking for shortcuts? Ill discipline? Poor coaching?

Shit refereeing isnt just a statistic ... it legitimately means a team gets more ball ... every penalty goal they got they get another set of 6 ... there was a grubber they put ingoal, 2 dude blatantly offside chase it and force a droput, and another set of 6 .... not penalising fatso fifita every time he lobs ontop of someone n sets up base camp is a denial of us getting another set of 6

All adds up to more posession for the team getting the calls

Ontop of that we made some errors but they made a few too

 

[Chipmunk]

That wouldn't be a run. That'd be a pass

So if a bloke runs from dummy half 5 metres out from his own try line, makes a tackle break, a line break, draws the full back 60 metres away and passes to a guy who scores, the bloke hasn't had a run according to the stats?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Not if he ran backwards. FFS how is that so hard to understand?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

So if a bloke runs from dummy half 5 metres out from his own try line, makes a tackle break, a line break, draws the full back 60 metres away and passes to a guy who scores, the bloke hasn't had a run according to the stats?

Not if he runs backwards. If he runs backwards, one of two things happens 1) he gets tackled and registers negative metres, or 2) he passes to someone else and then that chap takes whatever gain / loss occurs.

 

[Chipmunk]

Not if he runs backwards. If he runs backwards, one of two things happens 1) he gets tackled and registers negative metres, or 2) he passes to someone else and then that chap takes whatever gain / loss occurs.

But lets say a winger runs a across field 50 metres from dummy half close to their own try line and touchline and maybe goes 1 metre backwards, but then passes to their winger who makes a break and runs the length of the field, surely the guy gets a run for that?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

But lets say a winger runs a across field 50 metres from dummy half close to their own try line and touchline and maybe goes 1 metre backwards, but then passes to their winger who makes a break and runs the length of the field, surely the guy gets a run for that?

I don't think so. Some stats outfits might have a rule that applies when a dummy half runner clear the ruck by a certain amount, but the guys I used to work with wouldn't count that.

 

[hindy111]

Oh you mean Junior Paulo the State of Origin player?

Juniors forms been average this year.

 

[hindy111]

C'mon El D. You're better than that.

Actualy its about the best thing he has said in 3yrs....

 

[hindy111]

Mark my words we will beat the tigers

 

[Chipmunk]

I don't think so. Some stats outfits might have a rule that applies when a dummy half runner clear the ruck by a certain amount, but the guys I used to work with wouldn't count that.

I can understand losing metres on the run, but you still have had a run. If you kick a bomb and it goes backward you have still kicked it.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Juniors forms been average this year.

Just like last year. He is not a self-motivated player.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I can understand losing metres on the run, but you still have had a run. If you kick a bomb and it goes backward you have still kicked it.

Not true. If you kick it backwards you lose a kick as well as kicking metres. This is how they ensure the kicker still has positive metres per kick.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I can understand losing metres on the run, but you still have had a run. If you kick a bomb and it goes backward you have still kicked it.

There's some logic to that, but in my memory that's not how it was done. The blokes I worked with are the guys who ran 'thescore.com.au' and sportsdata, and I think they are behind the more detailed of the current options.

 

[Bazal]

Just as an aside, there are 22 players in the NRL over 115kg. Given 16 squads of 30 (roughly, I realise some have 29 or whatever) that is between 4 and 5% of NRL squad players

So I'd love to know where these fat props we need that BA has allegedly deliberately not signed are supposed to come from...

 

[Chipmunk]

Not true. If you kick it backwards you lose a kick as well as kicking metres. This is how they ensure the kicker still has positive metres per kick.

But what I'm saying is that you should. You've still run or kicked the ball.

 

[Eelogical]

Just as an aside, there are 22 players in the NRL over 115kg. Given 16 squads of 30 (roughly, I realise some have 29 or whatever) that is between 4 and 5% of NRL squad players

So I'd love to know where these fat props we need that BA has allegedly deliberately not signed are supposed to come from...

England! There's a bunch of fat props there.