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Bazal

Bazal

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Gary Gutful said:
If we are talking about COACHES then why are you are comparing a COACH with a CHAIRMAN and a CEO. From 30 F**KEN YEARS AGO!!!


Me too.


No they are CIRCUMSTANCES. Circumstances that should be evaluated when being critical.


Completely untrue and is a case of you projecting.

I actually think that BA has a lot of room for improvement and has not been great. I just make sure that my criticisms are cognisant of the set of circumstances our club is in.

You point to other examples of things that you think are great and argue that we should automatically be like them. This is despite the fact that:

1. You don't understand what is you are comparing us to. If you applied the same scrutiny to others as you do to BA you would realise that.

2. You are comparing us to eras that are long gone. Arko and Bullfrog? F**ken please.

3. You think that evaluating a set of circumstances is a sign of weakness that will only deliver a litany of excuses. This is crazy and it is stopping you from ensuring that your criticism is informed and therefore actually constructive and meaningful.

You are about a useful as a chocolate tea pot and only slightly more delicious.
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Honestly mate, don't bother.

Ram has enough intelligence to be a meaningful contributor, but the bloke couldn't see past his own biases if his life depended on it.
 
emjaycee

emjaycee

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TheRam said:
Yes but these are all decisions he chose to make. He could of made different ones. He could of seen what I and others had been seeing and adjusted accordingly. He could of chosen NOT to re-sign players and perused others that were available at the time. Your comments don't take into account that the player market is always open for business and has been for the full duration of his time here with us.

Big boppers win matches. End of story. His coaching career lives or dies on that. He should of made that a priority over any other signings since our halves were settled. Especially since Semi left a huge hole in the teams ability to plough forward on kick returns. Who did he think was going to do that? What he doesn't watch video? Did he think Hayne was going to play like a bulldozer or those midget forwards were going to miraculously all of a sudden put on an extra 10kg and 5 inch in height to drain the energy levels of the opposition as big powerful forwards do and the advantage they give on quick play the balls.?

I mean the only decent big bopper he signed was Williams, and that was way late in the piece, and it was a gamble that he got lucky on. But hardly a master stroke. I think he realised that he needed size but was not prepared to pay for it. Well that has turned out just fine. Wouldn't you say?
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Don't get me wrong, I reckon the Club has screwed the pooch on opportunities to recruit an improved forward pack over the last 10 years, not just the last 4 or 5 and mostly this has been in the area of prop (middle forward) and hooker. I just think it is not as simple as some posters would like it to be and as I am sometimes close enough to hear snippets from within, I like to make sure I share as much accurate information as any confidentiality commitment allows.
 
emjaycee

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TheRam said:
You seem to be trying to tell me something. I can only comment on the results of what is happening on the field and the coach is directly responsible for that and will live or die on those results.

If he is being hampered by a CEO that doesn't want to follow the coaches script, or the CEO doesn't value the coach's wishes then I wouldn't know about that.

But still it is irrelevant to all of us and our criticism of the team an its terrible performances. Like I said, when the results are bad enough, heads will roll. First up it will be the coaches. If the next coach is also a failure then we will start to look at the board and CEO. It would be inevitable. It is what we and the media will and always do.

For now the coach will cop it. Now if you know more, it is up to you whether you want to elaborate. But you probably won't because that's what people like you do. Throw in comment like that and then run and hide. Like the proverbial grenade in the room. Boom!
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I am not running and hiding from anything mate. I am just cognisant of the need to balance confidentiality with the fact that the media read this site.
 
Stevie

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Gronk said:
100% right. Nobody is safe after a loss.

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Obscene Assassin

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Glenneel said:
What can you tell us about Dressler and Fainga'a and will they make an NRL side?
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Both very talented. Unfortunately Dresler has been injured since round 2 last year but I believe he's back when the Flegg returns from their 2 week hiatus or soon after. Faingaa was injured to start the year and has only played a couple of games this season. Whether they make first grade will depend on their attitude, which I know nothing about.
 
TheRam

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Gary Gutful said:
If we are talking about COACHES then why are you are comparing a COACH with a CHAIRMAN and a CEO. From 30 F**KEN YEARS AGO!!!


Me too.


No they are CIRCUMSTANCES. Circumstances that should be evaluated when being critical.


Completely untrue and is a case of you projecting.

I actually think that BA has a lot of room for improvement and has not been great. I just make sure that my criticisms are cognisant of the set of circumstances our club is in.

You point to other examples of things that you think are great and argue that we should automatically be like them. This is despite the fact that:

1. You don't understand what it is you are comparing us to. If you applied the same scrutiny to others as you do to BA you would realise that.

2. You are comparing us to eras that are long gone. Arko and Bullfrog? F**ken please.

3. You think that evaluating a set of circumstances is a sign of weakness that will only deliver a litany of excuses. This is crazy and it is stopping you from ensuring that your criticism is informed and therefore actually constructive and meaningful.

You are about a useful as a chocolate tea pot and only slightly more delicious.
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Well I'm glad you find me delicious.

But just for the record, elevating "circumstances" only serves to turn them into excuses. And the only reason I brought up CEO's and Chairmen was to answer to your statement. Obviously a club is not just run by a coach. Arko and Bullfrog, I begrudgingly admired their business acumen for years. Just because they are from another era, doesn't diminish their abilities. If only we had someone like Arko or Quayle running the game now. They would leave these bafoons running the game now for dust.

You need quality Chairmen and CEO's in the NRL, but the best ones are great in business, but also have an aura about them. Someone that others want to follow and be around and part of their organisation. The NRL is sadly lacking in this regard right across the board except for maybe Politis. That is also why the Dogs supporters chose to elect the daughter of the Bullfrog. They are hoping to get back what they have lost. Time will tell.

But everyone, everyone eventually recognises greatness. That is what is needed to run an NRL club consistently well in Sydney. So far Bernie is just treading water. I have left him alone to this point, only due to all the upheaval that is currently underway at our club, being the redevelopment of the club and all that is involved with what is going on in that regard and the building of the new Stadium. Also the huge losses that we are currently experiencing at the football club level and Madmax's tactics in trying to get that under control.

But once all that has settled down, then if our results are still crap, then all hell will break loose.
 
Bazal

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TheRam said:
Well I'm glad you find me delicious.

But just for the record, elevating "circumstances" only serves to turn them into excuses..
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Yeah, Gutho gets wraps on here but I can't believe he didn't start the season. He just made some bullshit f**ken excuses and sat on the sideline watching his side get pasted! And now he's captain, f**ken! It's f**ken disgraceful IMO
 
Gary Gutful

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TheRam said:
Well I'm glad you find me delicious.

But just for the record, elevating "circumstances" only serves to turn them into excuses. And the only reason I brought up CEO's and Chairmen was to answer to your statement. Obviously a club is not just run by a coach. Arko and Bullfrog, I begrudgingly admired their business acumen for years. Just because they are from another era, doesn't diminish their abilities. If only we had someone like Arko or Quayle running the game now. They would leave these bafoons running the game now for dust.

You need quality Chairmen and CEO's in the NRL, but the best ones are great in business, but also have an aura about them. Someone that others want to follow and be around and part of their organisation. The NRL is sadly lacking in this regard right across the board except for maybe Politis. That is also why the Dogs supporters chose to elect the daughter of the Bullfrog. They are hoping to get back what they have lost. Time will tell.

But everyone, everyone eventually recognises greatness. That is what is needed to run an NRL club consistently well in Sydney. So far Bernie is just treading water. I have left him alone to this point, only due to all the upheaval that is currently underway at our club, being the redevelopment of the club and all that is involved with what is going on in that regard and the building of the new Stadium. Also the huge losses that we are currently experiencing at the football club level and Madmax's tactics in trying to get that under control.

But once all that has settled down, then if our results are still crap, then all hell will break loose.
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No-one is elevating circumstances and turning them into excuses. You are basically saying that every reason for something not happening is an ‘excuse’. That’s just crap. You can’t honestly believe that.

You raised Arko and Bullfrog first and I questioned the value of the comparison to BA.

Others then rightfully questioned why you aren’t focusing your efforts on Bernie instead.

It seems you aren’t questioning Bernie yet because of the upheaval at the club and Max’s efforts reigning in expenditure.

This raises a couple of obvious questions:

1. Why would you not afford BA the same luxury as you appear to be critical about issues that should be the responsibility of a CEO rather than a coach?

2. Using your previous logic aren’t the above set of circumstances just ‘excuses’?

You are contradicting yourself with every post.
 
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TheRam

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Bazal said:
Yeah, Gutho gets wraps on here but I can't believe he didn't start the season. He just made some bullshit f**ken excuses and sat on the sideline watching his side get pasted! And now he's captain, f**ken! It's f**ken disgraceful IMO
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Well I can't blame Gutho for that. But I do blame the doctor though.
 
TheRam

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Gary Gutful said:
No-one is elevating circumstances and turning them into excuses. You are basically saying that every reason for something not happening is an ‘excuse’. That’s just crap. You can’t honestly believe that.

You raised Arko and Bullfrog first and I questioned the value of the comparison to BA.

Others then rightfully questioned why you aren’t focusing your efforts on Bernie instead.

It seems you aren’t questioning Bernie yet because of the upheaval at the club and Max’s efforts reigning in expenditure.

This raises a couple of obvious questions:

1. Why would you not afford BA the same luxury as you appear to be critical about issues that should be the responsibility of a CEO rather than a club?

2. Using your previous logic aren’t the above set of circumstances just ‘excuses’?

You are contradicting yourself with every post.
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No. I blame the coach because these are obvious issues that the team is hobbled with. He should of cut some like for like players, no matter how loyal he feels towards them and bought a palooka or two. Then we would not all be sitting here reading my crappy pissed off posts about how pathetic he was in anticipating the weakness in our forward rotation. And us all SUFFERING another failed to ignite season. He should be on his game. He demands it from all his players and yet let all of them down by not making the hard calls.

He had months once Semi left to look at the squad over and over and see how we were struggling if Semi wasn't breaking open the defenses in so many games, irrespective of us making the top four. Like I said before, who did he think could pick up the slack. Kane freakin Evans a freakin reserve grader that he paid around 400k for?

Now we all SUFFER. Great stuff coach..woohoo!

Am I pissed? You bet your arse I am. And I blame the coach. You know the guy that says that everyone is accountable including himself at press conferences and interviews. Well I am just supporting the coach in his honest assessment and thoughts on how we should all view our results as a club and I say he f**ken SUCKS!
 
hindy111

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Poupou Escobar said:
Hayne replaced Radradra. And our biggest middle forward has been in reserve grade all year working on his fitness you f**king idiot. Evans needs to do the same but he is injured.
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Welcome back.

Im thinking of writing a detailed post later this evening on how our club can repair itself.

Now its time to talk about our little brother from Penrith. I dont understand why they have so many juniors bursting through while still poaching guys like Kikau and able to sign reps like Maloney and Tamou and Merrin.

We are a bigger club then f**king Penrith ffs.Its a disgrace
We should be the powerhouse of the NRL. We have all of Parramatta to ourself.Wow.
It is time to get serious, we should be able to attract the most tpas and sponsors ffs. And with our histor players should feel privledged to play for us.
 
Bazal

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hindy111 said:
Welcome back.

Im thinking of writing a detailed post later this evening on how our club can repair itself.

Now its time to talk about our little brother from Penrith. I dont understand why they have so many juniors bursting through while still poaching guys like Kikau and able to sign reps like Maloney and Tamou and Merrin.

We are a bigger club then f**king Penrith ffs.Its a disgrace
We should be the powerhouse of the NRL. We have all of Parramatta to ourself.Wow.
It is time to get serious, we should be able to attract the most tpas and sponsors ffs. And with our histor players should feel privledged to play for us.
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Will you compare our off field management theirs? Specifically, the fact the we have no board and are two years out of the lowest point our club has ever seen?
 
hindy111

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If Niaukore doesn't play this week I lost all faith in BA period.

But i give him 85% chance to play.BA isnt that stupid to run with the same shit.
 
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