Rumours and Stuff

[Poupou Escobar]

I'd say Glasby is objectively worse than Mannah, at the moment. He makes f**k all metres or tackles, the only area he's superior is tackle breaks, but even then he's had 12 in 8 games so it's barely worth mentioning.

I reckon Mannah is a better player too. Glasby just gets more opportunities to look good and fewer opportunities to get gang tackled.

 

[Gary Gutful]

What was said and by who?

*whom

 

[TheRam]

Don't you love it when these deadshits come in and try and respond to something from 3 days ago?

Unlike some deadshits, our lives don't revolve around the site. We come here when we can. But what some deadshits write lasts forever.

 

[Gary Gutful]

WE can and WE already have merkin.

I guess your multiple personalities is technically ‘we’.

 

[hineyrulz]

Actually back loading contracts is causing all the problems.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Unlike some deadshits, our lives don't revolve around the site. We come here when we can. But what some deadshits write lasts forever.

Typically by the time you’ve responded the moment has passed and we all just think you look like a penis.

 

[TheRam]

Here's where you show your ignorance. These people have spent their lives in the game. They get paid a lot of money to understand it and assess risk effectively, yet you think they would forget to sign the best possible players to create an effective team.

The fact is there is a salary cap, and 16 clubs competing for players. It just isn't possible for everyone to have the complete team every year without any weaknesses. And even when a suitable player is available the club is hampered by the players already contracted there.

Tough shit. It is their own doing. Just like our roster is of our clubs own doing. There is always going to be winners and losers in life. The dogs have slowly joined the ranks of the losers, where we have been for the longest time in the NRL. More then any other team spoon wise and time between titles.

So f**k me if I shouldn't get get some enjoyment out of watching one of our greatest rivals join us in crapsville. They did it to themselves no one held a gun to their heads. Boy some of you guys a full of crap and excuse after excuse.

Manly is another one that is fast jumping into the mire. Yee Haw!

 

[84 Baby]

Think he'd be better than most of our current middle forwards, certainly better Vave, Matagi, Terepo, Evans and Mannah (any others I left out?). Gee we are poor when our best forward is Alvaro, an honest toiler but he won't win you anything.

I think enough has been said. You're clearly a "grass is greener" guy, but when it comes to Glasby it could possibly just be you're a grass guy

 

[TheRam]

I would have thought Minimizing errors, good defence, a good kicking game among other things have a fair bearing on having better possession stats. That’s not to say you are wrong about the forwards but they are only 1 small part of many other parts that add up to better possession stats.

Yes of course that is all part of winning the possession stat. But without the consistent go forward that the forwards and some wingers can provide to dominate the ruck, the most important part of the game, you know where it is all won and lost, then the pressure starts to mount.

Our kickers are then placed in awkward or downright horrible positions on the field when kicking. The players start to take extra risk in passing. The space just isn't there to play ball freely so the halves start to move way to much laterally. It all just seems clunky and disjointed as if the players don't know each other or don't know what they are doing. The forwards being dominated also means that sometimes they lose/drop the ball in what looks like a simple mistake, frustrating penalties...the list just goes on and on because they are being dominated.

That is why everybody bemoans the fact that the Storm seem to get preferential treatment by the refs. But the fact is that they dominate the ruck like no other team by having the best of the best dummy halves and an awesome pack that work their ringer off. The dragons are the same. Awesome pack, great dummy half and now they have halves and backs that can finish it off.

The bottom line is if if your forwards aren't winning the ruck then all the negative shit that we see on the field will just keep happening. Conversely if the forwards are good enough to win the ruck regularly, but the halves and or backs aren't good enough to capitalise, then the similar things will happen. But that isn't our issue.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Think he'd be better than most of our current middle forwards, certainly better Vave, Matagi, Terepo, Evans and Mannah (any others I left out?). Gee we are poor when our best forward is Alvaro, an honest toiler but he won't win you anything.

Really? Have you actually seen Glasby play?

He would offer nothing to our pack that we don’t already have!!

Mannah is better, Evans will come good.

Even Peni is probably better then Glasby and costs a lot less !!

 

[Dibs]

Good teams force errors with the pressure they put on you.
Bone rattling forwards force errors by hitting you hard and wearing you out.

Still only 1 small part of it

 

[Dibs]

Yes of course that is all part of winning the possession stat. But without the consistent go forward that the forwards and some wingers can provide to dominate the ruck, the most important part of the game, you know where it is all won and lost, then the pressure starts to mount.

Our kickers are then placed in awkward or downright horrible positions on the field when kicking. The players start to take extra risk in passing. The space just isn't there to play ball freely so the halves start to move way to much laterally. It all just seems clunky and disjointed as if the players don't know each other or don't know what they are doing. The forwards being dominated also means that sometimes they lose/drop the ball in what looks like a simple mistake, frustrating penalties...the list just goes on and on because they are being dominated.

That is why everybody bemoans the fact that the Storm seem to get preferential treatment by the refs. But the fact is that they dominate the ruck like no other team by having the best of the best dummy halves and an awesome pack that work their ringer off. The dragons are the same. Awesome pack, great dummy half and now they have halves and backs that can finish it off.

The bottom line is if if your forwards aren't winning the ruck then all the negative shit that we see on the field will just keep happening. Conversely if the forwards are good enough to win the ruck regularly, but the halves and or backs aren't good enough to capitalise, then the similar things will happen. But that isn't our issue.

I’m not reading all that. I read some and as pou said last night when you are losing the ruck you need to stay disciplined and stick to the game plan and don’t panic, something we are not doing this season

 

[Dibs]

WE can and WE already have merkin.

Split personalities is a bitch. At least all yours are exactly the same I guess

 

[Dibs]

Think he'd be better than most of our current middle forwards, certainly better Vave, Matagi, Terepo, Evans and Mannah (any others I left out?). Gee we are poor when our best forward is Alvaro, an honest toiler but he won't win you anything.

Your description of Alvaro sounds like one that would suit Glasby

 

[TheRam]

The two most important things for deciding possession are handling and discipline. Anyone who has ever played a single match can tell you that.

The pack and your halves can certainly be important for field position depending how you play, but for possession you need to hold the ball and not give away too many penalties. You drop it a lot, or you give away a lot of penalties, then you defend more, you tire faster, and you make more errors and give away more penalties.

At this level of footy, most players can generally hold on to the ball. Not many players last in the NRL if they are serial offenders. Continual errors happen in concentration at this level because you are inferior collectively and getting dominated in the ruck. In the end no one stays immune. I'm not talking about the odd game here and there that good teams may lose due to not turning up on the day, which again means that they probably didn't dominate the ruck. I'm talking about obvious crap teams like our and say the Titans.

Dominating the ruck is Shangri la to all coaches.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Tough shit. It is their own doing.

Agreed. The point is it is fixable without adding players to the roster. Our big loss from last year was a winger and we have a very good one currently injured. We also added to our pack, with Williams and Evans, also both injured.

Just like our roster is of our clubs own doing.

The roster is fine. It can always be improved and renewed, and it will be. There's a reason we have so many forwards still off contract in May. Only Alvaro and Brown were re-signed.

There is always going to be winners and losers in life. The dogs have slowly joined the ranks of the losers, where we have been for the longest time in the NRL.

We won 29 games over the past two years, despite the salary cap scandal.

More then any other team spoon wise and time between titles.

So f**k me if I shouldn't get get some enjoyment out of watching one of our greatest rivals join us in crapsville. They did it to themselves no one held a gun to their heads. Boy some of you guys a full of crap and excuse after excuse.

Manly is another one that is fast jumping into the mire. Yee Haw!

In every case it is temporary. Newcastle won three straight wooden spoons, two of them under Nathan Brown. Now he's been able to turn the roster over and they are competitive, does that mean he suddenly knows how to coach?

 

[TheRam]

Lack of patience and discipline. Every pack gets bashed, including ours last year. The difference is last year we didn't let it get us flustered. This year we are and instead of taking our medicine and completing our sets we are trying to cut corners. Our support play off the ball also sucks, meaning defences can converge on the ball carrier. Only Gutherson is consistently supporting our forwards. We always seem to be setting up for the next play.

Except we had the same forwards last year and we got even possession nearly every week.

Again with last year. Do we have to rehash all the favourable variables that allowed us to compete successfully only just mind you when it came to scoring points and finishing off teams. Did we not have one of the slickest backlines in the NRL? So why did we have such a pathetic F/A for a team in the top four?

The difference this year is teams are bringing it to us big time. They know we have a great pack of toilers that will go all day if they don't bash us up frond and so they do. They focus on their defense and run at our boys like bulls knowing we don't have the size or the offloads that can hurt them if they keep it up.

Coaches as you keep saying Pou do their homework and they have done it on us. Our forwards will look like world beaters when the opposition take them for granted and or are mentally shot like Manly were. Then people like you will say, see they are now playing focused and doing all the thing that you mentioned above. Then you will feel like a genius again in your own little satisfied mind and I'm sure you will tell all about it too.

 

[TheRam]

That’s a good analysis. I remember watching games last year thinking we are getting smashed in metres and field position but we would keep plugging away and eventually turn it around. Got to our kicks and relied on Moses and Norman to trap the opposition deep in the corners

Or Semi did the spectacular...again.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yes of course that is all part of winning the possession stat. But without the consistent go forward that the forwards and some wingers can provide to dominate the ruck, the most important part of the game, you know where it is all won and lost, then the pressure starts to mount.

Our kickers are then placed in awkward or downright horrible positions on the field when kicking. The players start to take extra risk in passing. The space just isn't there to play ball freely so the halves start to move way to much laterally. It all just seems clunky and disjointed as if the players don't know each other or don't know what they are doing. The forwards being dominated also means that sometimes they lose/drop the ball in what looks like a simple mistake, frustrating penalties...the list just goes on and on because they are being dominated.

Or are they being dominated because support play in attack and defence has dropped off due to fatigue?

That is why everybody bemoans the fact that the Storm seem to get preferential treatment by the refs. But the fact is that they dominate the ruck like no other team by having the best of the best dummy halves and an awesome pack that work their ringer off. The dragons are the same. Awesome pack, great dummy half and now they have halves and backs that can finish it off.

The bottom line is if if your forwards aren't winning the ruck then all the negative shit that we see on the field will just keep happening. Conversely if the forwards are good enough to win the ruck regularly, but the halves and or backs aren't good enough to capitalise, then the similar things will happen. But that isn't our issue.

So our issue is that we are spending less on players than the good teams? That won't be solved by spending more on forwards but less elsewhere, will it?

 

[TheRam]

Typically by the time you’ve responded the moment has passed and we all just think you look like a penis.

I like the cut of your jib.