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Gary Gutful

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Show me where the media were reporting that he had lost the dressing room. From everything that I saw no one really knew why. Maybe some speculated at first that he had lost the players, but that quickly was dispelled by many in the press and the question remained unanswered definitively by anyone.
You show me the media reports that 100% support all of your posts.

We are both working with some unknowns and making assessments of the issue. I am just demonstrating that mine is more informed.
 

Poupou Escobar

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But didn't Bellamy develop those players plus Cronk. And he buys journeymen and somehow usually turns them into much better players.
Smith, Slater and Cronk were already at the Storm when Bellamy arrived, though Slater and Cronk had yet to play first grade. The question then becomes how much they were developed and how much they were always going to be great. I think the biggest factor is that they spent their careers together, or at least 14 years of it.
 

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It amazes me that Ram can not see the glaring similarities between BA's record and Cleary's record at Panfers

Identical. Cleary in his last year had heaps of injuries and didnt make finals. Same things happening to us.
But Griffins had heaps and has team still in 2nd....Maybe a softter draw at time of injuries though
 

Gary Gutful

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I don't rate Madge very highly. He is one dimensional coach, who couldn't or wouldn't adjust or adapt to the players that he had after the 2014 season. Just a hard nosed angry disciplinarian merkin that will get the decks polished and spotless by the crew with fear as the main motivator, but eventually will wear thin.

Then his bag of trick is left empty and the crew will throw him overboard.
Agreed. Also very loyal to his players and continued to back them to his own detriment. But like, BA probably didn't have a lot of alternatives that he could call upon.
 

Gary Gutful

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It amazes me that Ram can not see the glaring similarities between BA's record and Cleary's record at Panfers
I'm not surprised. He has a track record of being narrow minded.

Love his passion for the club but would never ask him to help solve a complex issue.
 

84 Baby

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Maguire was boxed into retaining the Burgii and struggling to get them to adapt to game changes post-premiership. The game has since swung back towards that style and Cook has emerged as an ideal capitalist of the Burgii strengths. It's not a simple comparison but I reckon tactically they'd be in an identical or better position if Maguire was still coach, just the man management/motivation aspect may or may not make them worse with Maguire
 

emjaycee

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For the Stats lovers on here...

Ivan Cleary
First 5 years as FG coach @ Warriors.
Coached: 126
Won: 61
Lost: 65
Win Percentage: 48.4%

Brad Arthur
First 5 years as FG Coach @ Eels (excluding interim coach in 2012)
Coached: 108
Won: 52
Lost: 56
Win Percentage: 48.1%
 

84 Baby

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For the Stats lovers on here...

Ivan Cleary
First 5 years as FG coach @ Warriors.
Coached: 126
Won: 61
Lost: 65
Win Percentage: 48.4%

Brad Arthur
First 5 years as FG Coach @ Eels (excluding interim coach in 2012)
Coached: 108
Won: 52
Lost: 56
Win Percentage: 48.1%
Makes me wonder what would be the current take if we had made it through to grand final last year
 

TheRam

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I laughed reading that. Hey Ram they are mocking my profile Avatar. See what happens when have freedom of speech.

I love your forever evolving Avatar Hindy and parrots love pirate captain too.

Sorry don't have time to chit n chat, I need to go to the Hospital.
 

emjaycee

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Makes me wonder what would be the current take if we had made it through to grand final last year

Well if we made it through to the Grand Final and lost then BA would be at 48.6% and have a higher percentage than Cleary (if we had won, he would be at 49.5%.
Therefore, he would be a better coach of course.

By the way, Cleary's career coaching numbers are actually worse 281 games, 133 wins for 47.1%

edit: fixed some typos
 
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Gronk

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Show me where the media were reporting that he had lost the dressing room. From everything that I saw no one really knew why. Maybe some speculated at first that he had lost the players, but that quickly was dispelled by many in the press and the question remained unanswered definitively by anyone.



 

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