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[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Has anyone had or does anyone know who oversea's this site.?
I received notification that one of my posts was deleted. But it wont tell me which one.
Big brother is watching lol

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I'd blame Twizz for starters, and then see if can suggest another suspect.

You might have just replied to someone else's post that had something unsourced in it.

 

[JohnStoppafarty]

I would say it was the unsourced comment that you had heard on Facebook that Norman and Gutho were swapping positions.

Yes, a highly libelous piece of slander obviously.

 

[rugby league fan]

I would say it was the unsourced comment that you had heard on Facebook that Norman and Gutho were swapping positions.

Yes i think you hit the nail on the head. I did post info i found on facebook regarding Gutho & Normans positional switch.
Thank you

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Has anyone had or does anyone know who oversea's this site.?
I received notification that one of my posts was deleted. But it wont tell me which one.
Big brother is watching lol

Today

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   6:45 PM

There was a bloke here a few weeks ago who was asking how to do that. Not sure if he was successful.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Yes i think you hit the nail on the head. I did post info i found on facebook regarding Gutho & Normans positional switch.
Thank you

And yet, you could probably get away with saying that you heard that Player X was rooting Player Y on Tuesday behind the bike sheds.

 

[Bazal]

And yet, you could probably get away with saying that you heard that Player X was rooting Player Y on Tuesday behind the bike sheds.

It's only a problem if they switched positions....

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

It's only a problem if they switched positions....

Well, they would do so at half time.

 

[Gazzamatta]

Yes i think you hit the nail on the head. I did post info i found on facebook regarding Gutho & Normans positional switch.
Thank you

Cool. Do tell?

 

[TheRam]

I could build an ark with the dead wood that's washed upon the shores of Lake Parramatta over the past decade. Just sayin'.

It would only sink.

 

[rugby league fan]

Cool. Do tell?

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...d/news-story/492486f03c3e9b85797a8b26254698d0

 

[TheRam]

Ask Maloney or walker what the club can say if you ask for a pay rise!!

Additionally we can’t make an offer to him
unless the dogs say he can negotiate with other clubs. BA can’t even talk to him about leaving!!

While why wouId the dogs release him, he is under contract so no matter what happens they don’t have to release him. Contracts can’t be broken unless both party’s agree.

I don’t think it will be as simple as you have suggested.

Yes we can. The rules allow us to. People misunderstand the rules. We can talk to him. It is bullshit that we can't.

I didn't say anything was easy, but nothing ventured nothing gained. The Dogs are in a major pickle. They need to fit 14 players in with a total of $800k to work with. You do the maths. Major pickle. If we have smart operators, and a bit of luck, we can get our man. But it takes will and effort, and who knows, if BA is even interested in this bloke.

All we know is that he is after the most expensive frontrower available. I still reckon the better option is to target, Lodge and TPG as our middle forward recruits. Two awesome players, with much more improvement in them and way cheaper and then it may also allows us to go for Raymond Faitala Mariner, an explosive type of edge forward. But hey that's just me.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

At the least we'd have good internet.

 

[TheRam]

Yeah I don't see it either mate. Ma'u is also much more dangerous with ball in hand.

Last season RFM made 60m per game and 15 tackles. 2016 it was 50m and 17 tackles. I CBF finding offloads and stuff, but I'd be looking to that 31 game period as far more indicative of his quality than 8 or so good games this year.

He's a plodder playing above his weight at the moment

Well I'm not obsessed with getting this bloke. He is playing really well in an average team and making over 100m every game. So he would be good from a consistency point of view, but if we can get someone better sure.

My main targets would be Lodge, TPG and Api. We get those three and I'd say happy days. But something tells me we are fixated on a $900k frontrower, and then some other no names around that.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The Dogs are in a major pickle. They need to fit 14 players in with a total of $800k to work with.

In that case they should tear up the contracts of the players they don't want and sign Lodge, TPJ and Koroisau.

 

[TheRam]

We have these off contract:

Auva'a
Davis
Gower
Hayne
Gennings
King
Matagi
Niukore
Pritchard
Scott
Terepo
Vave
Williams

And need to replace them in the top 30 with the same number of players, so a minimum of $1.18M (4 x $70k + 9 x $100k)

We have signed Junior Paulo for $650k at minimum, plus we've upgraded Alvaro and Brown (my guess is about $500k) so there's another $1.15M in next year's cap.

The only big money players off contract are Hayne and Scott (maybe $900k between them). Auva'a, King, Matagi, Pritchard, Terepo and Vave would be on about $200k each, so there's $1.2M freed up. Assume we flush all of them plus minimum salary players Davis, Gower, Gennings, Niukore and Williams ($500k for the five) and we have lost 13 from the squad and created $2.6M in cap space. Add Kenny Edwards' $300k that has just been freed up and we're looking at $2.9M

Then subtract the $650k for Paulo and the $500k for Alvaro and Brown's upgrades and you're left with $1.75M (let's be generous and call it $1.8M) for next year, with which we need to buy 12 players (the 13 we're letting go minus Junior Paulo). And here's the rub: it's easy to find players worth less than the minimum salary, but you have to pay them no less than the minimum salary (4 x $70k and the rest x $100k). You also need to be able to rely on a couple of them to play at least half the season, as well the rest to fill in during a crisis. You don't want Flegg graduates or part-timers from Wenty who are only worth $50k. If you're going to pay blokes $100k (or even $70k) you need them to be worth it, because they will appear in your NRL team during the season. You're better off paying a bloke that's worth $150k what he's worth as a backup than paying a bloke worth $50k double that just to fill your top 30 with cheapies. I dare say the backups worth exactly $100k (and willing to take it) aren't in such numbers that you can just find one off contract when you need him.

But let's assume we can find as many $100k players as we need (plus the four $70k players 27-30 in the squad). We have $1.8M to spend and 12 spots to fill. You want Lodge, TPJ, RFM and Koroisau. That would mean eight minimum salary players alongside them, costing $680k). So you have $1.12M to sign Lodge, TPJ, RFM and Koroisau. I would suggest we'd be lucky to get two of these blokes for that, plus fill the other two spots with minimum salary backups. Axing Norman would be a good way to get three of them (and one minimum salary backup) but it still leaves a hole in the outside backs.

Better economics would be to look at the top 17 as it stand for 2019. Let's assume Norman is gone and frees up $500k:

1. French
2.
3. Jennings
4.
5.
6. Gutherson
7. Moses
8. Alvaro
9.
10. Paulo
11. Ma'u
12. Moeroa
13. Brown
14.
15.
16. Evans
17. Mannah

Throw Takairangi in there at either 4 or 15. Plus these squad members who won't be in the ideal top 17:

18. Smith
19. Hoffman
20. Salmon

We now need not middle forwards, but a hooker plus at least one winger. That's just for our top 17. Signing more middle forwards, even if they're better than the ones we have, will just push more top 17 contracts out of the top 17. That is a dumb use of a limited resource (cap space). Plus if Norman is gone then we have 15 spots left to fill for next year (including a top 17 wing, hooker and at least two other edge players).

So in this magical fairytale world where Norman is gone and frees up $500k (and my numbers are inexplicably correct for all the merkins off contract) then we have $2.3M to sign four top 17 players and 11 backups on about minimum salary. For ease of accounting let's assume the backups average $100k each (so the four $70k players are evened out by some of the backups costing more than $100k). That makes $1.1M for backups, leaving $1.2M for the four top 17 players. That is $300k for each of those four, which is average salary under the current cap and therefore slightly less under next year's cap. But I think $300k is a very solid first grader, along the lines of Takairangi or Alvaro. It's probably a below average NRL hooker. We might get Mitch Rein for that or spend less at the other three positions and get Granville/Koroisau for $500k+

But I can't see how we can spend big on two more middle forwards and still have enough to fill the rest of the squad.

That's assuming all your figures are spot on and that we don't and/or won't have any TPA's. Big assumption Pou, especially when all you ever bang on about is that we as outsiders(fans) have no idea about what is really going on in the inner circle or what players are being paid. So all of a sudden you know more or less what every player is on or how much salary cap space we already had free. Remember we aren't the ones in cap trouble, we were reported as being under the cap and still having room to add to the squad. Good one.

Sure, can you give me next weeks lottery numbers too please mate?

The truth is, no one knows what these players are on and what players the coach may move on that are still under contract that may free up even more space. All I know is that Lodge, TPJ and Api are better then anyone we have here at present and they are all available.

I would be doing whatever I could to get them here. If that meant telling some players under contract to see if they can move on, then so be it. It would only improve the roster, as these three are better forwards then anyone else already here. No point in lamenting what could of been, since they are available now.

The Roosters go for top shelf, not bargain rejects like we have.

 

[TheRam]

Yeah but I'm yet to see him do anything that wopuld suggest his plodding days are past him. I certainly wouldn't take him over the back rowers we have at the moment....I'd just wait, next season Lachlan Fitzgibbon and Villiame Kikau are off contract. Throw Manu's money at someone like that rather than wetting ourselves over a bloke who spent 3/4s of his career thus far as an abject plodder.

Maybe you're right. Sound logic.

 

[TheRam]

In that case they should tear up the contracts of the players they don't want and sign Lodge, TPJ and Koroisau.

If only it were that easy. Some people just have no f**kin idea. You'd never catch me saying something that stupid.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

That's assuming all your figures are spot on and that we don't and/or won't have any TPA's. Big assumption Pou, especially when all you ever bang on about is that we as outsiders(fans) have no idea about what is really going on in the inner circle or what players are being paid. So all of a sudden you know more or less what every player is on or how much salary cap space we already had free.

You're the one with the big plans on how to spend all the cap space we allegedly have. If my figures are unrealistic what are the correct ones?

Remember we aren't the ones in cap trouble, we were reported as being under the cap and still having room to add to the squad. Good one.

Sure, can you give me next weeks lottery numbers too please mate?

The truth is, no one knows what these players are on and what players the coach may move on that are still under contract that may free up even more space.

Yet you're happy to proclaim how easy it would be to replace a number of contracted players in the lineup while leaving gaps at key top 17 positions.

All I know is that Lodge, TPJ and Api are better then anyone we have here at present and they are all available.

And my point is just being better and available is only part of the consideration. If it wasn't, every team would solve all their roster shortfalls in the space of an off season.

I would be doing whatever I could to get them here.

Because you don't understand the implications.

If that meant telling some players under contract to see if they can move on, then so be it.

Great way to wind up paying a bunch of blokes to play elsewhere. And piss off the remaining blokes in your squad who've just lost their mates.

It would only improve the roster, as these three are better forwards then anyone else already here. No point in lamenting what could of been, since they are available now.

The Roosters go for top shelf, not bargain rejects like we have.

After 2015 the Roosters lost Jennings, Maloney and RTS. They replaced them with guys like Copley, Burgess, Matterson, Nikorima and Michael Gordon. Rebuilds don't happen overnight, even when you're flush with TPAs.

 

[eels_fan]

French’s management are shopping him around as he wants to play FB.
Norman will be let go if he finds somewhere to go.
Hayne isn’t worth $500k.
Releasing all 3 let’s us refresh our squad.

Well, according to:

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sp...4zgv5.html?utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss_feed

 

[84 Baby]

They need to fit 14 players in with a total of $800k to work with. You do the maths.

The maths is simple. Do I let go of RFM who’s probably on around at most $300k and now have $1.1m to get 15 players which still isn’t enough, or do I let Klemmer go who’s on reportedly $900k so I’ll have $1.7m for 15 players which works with $200k wiggle room? Klemmer being a rep forward will also have a lot more interest