Rumours and Stuff

[TheRam]

Backflip? Please show me what comment made you think I had a different opinion previously?

I couldn't be f**ked as I couldn't be f**ked to respond to your other two posts spewing crap again. But there were many posts by you about how over rated and lazy and not worth paying overs for to keep him.

Well I suppose all is forgiven now ay Pou? As long as the coach wants him, he is a winner baby!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I couldn't be f**ked as I couldn't be f**ked to respond to your other two posts spewing crap again. But there were many posts by you about how over rated and lazy and not worth paying overs for to keep him.

I still think Paulo is overrated and lazy. But given our attack this year it probably now is worth paying overs for him. We'll see next year won't we?

 

[Jake the snake]

I still think Paulo is overrated and lazy. But given our attack this year it probably now is worth paying overs for him. We'll see next year won't we?

Before the season started during trial games you absused anyone that said our forward pack was SHIT. You were completely wrong then just as you are completely wrong about everything that you dribble on about. The truth is you are full of shit and you don’t know anything about League.

 

[strider]

Ahhhh, too easy

 

[hineyrulz]

If we do in fact have a top 23/24 players rather than a distinct top 17 then we probably have too many fringe first graders on too much money.

Agreed, the supposed depth we had this season hasn’t helped us much at all.

 

[Happy MEel]

I reckon there's a salary range that is somewhere between top 17 money and backup money. Obviously some of these might be in the top 17 paid players in the squad (in fact some of them would have to be). I suspect that range is somewhere between $150k and $250k.

Assuming a squad full of players being paid exactly what they're worth is obviously not a perfect description of reality - every squad will have some guys overpaid and others underpaid, with the better 'managed' clubs having more players on unders and clubs like us with more on overs, but a model of salary distribution only needs to deal with generalities. So the breakdown of a top 30 might look like this:

Eleven genuine top 17 players ($6M)

Ten fringe first graders ($2M)

Nine backups ($1M)

Anyway, Lane could be a fringe first grader on $150k (or less) at Manly, with the opportunity to be a fringe first grader for us on $200k or more.

I still think that is poor cap distribution. I think you need to have closer to 15 - 16 genuine first graders, approx 5 fringe first graders and the rest journey men and up-and-coming juniors.

 

[hindy111]

I reckon our problem with squad is there was too many guys on top 17 money that where not part of it had everyone been fit.

Me and Pou both called the roosters squad as thin. A good 15 then a bunch on no names.

Eels at full strength start of season

Guth
Bevan
Hayne
Mj
Auvau
Norm
Moses
Manah
Kaysa
Alvaro
Manu
Tepai
Brown

Evans
KE
Terepo
Taka


So that leaves -

1- Hoffman, Beau Scott, Vave,Matagi

2 - King, T rex , W.Smith , Gower

Tier one would all be on over 250k. Id say there is 1.2 million between those 4.People might argue but Vave and Matagi when signed where in demand and one of their teams better props when signed.

Tier 2 id say are all on around 150k. And I do not see any as a problem. They all are worth that.

But I feel 600k of our cap could of been saved from tier 1...

Imagine upgrading Kane Evans salary with a 700k prop and Mannah with a 600k prop.

Say a Woods and Ryan James. It is all of a sudden a different team. We need our backup not to be on big dollars. Either journey men like Gower. Up and comers like Niakuore,G.Jen or youngsters like Mahoney.....

 

[Twizzle]

god its just so good to see Kent being shit on from such a great height

I reckon Beattie has won a lot of friends over this despite the Cronulla Hawks comment

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I reckon our problem with squad is there was too many guys on top 17 money that where not part of it had everyone been fit.

Me and Pou both called the roosters squad as thin. A good 15 then a bunch on no names.

Eels at full strength start of season

Guth
Bevan
Hayne
Mj
Auvau
Norm
Moses
Manah
Kaysa
Alvaro
Manu
Tepai
Brown

Evans
KE
Terepo
Taka


So that leaves -

1- Hoffman, Beau Scott, Vave,Matagi

2 - King, T rex , W.Smith , Gower

Tier one would all be on over 250k. Id say there is 1.2 million between those 4.People might argue but Vave and Matagi when signed where in demand and one of their teams better props when signed.

Tier 2 id say are all on around 150k. And I do not see any as a problem. They all are worth that.

But I feel 600k of our cap could of been saved from tier 1...

Imagine upgrading Kane Evans salary with a 700k prop and Mannah with a 600k prop.

Say a Woods and Ryan James. It is all of a sudden a different team. We need our backup not to be on big dollars. Either journey men like Gower. Up and comers like Niakuore,G.Jen or youngsters like Mahoney.....

I reckon you are over estimating how much Vave and Matagi are on, I reckon they are in less then $250k probably closer to 150k to 180k.

Vave has always been a fringe NRL player - he only played 23 games in 2 years at Manly and was close to getting cut during the 2015/16 offseason.

While Matagi was still off contract after the 2016 season had ended (doesn’t indicate high demand), we didn’t sign him until November.

Neither were in high demand.

 

[TheRam]

I reckon our problem with squad is there was too many guys on top 17 money that where not part of it had everyone been fit.

Me and Pou both called the roosters squad as thin. A good 15 then a bunch on no names.

Eels at full strength start of season

Guth
Bevan
Hayne
Mj
Auvau
Norm
Moses
Manah
Kaysa
Alvaro
Manu
Tepai
Brown

Evans
KE
Terepo
Taka


So that leaves -

1- Hoffman, Beau Scott, Vave,Matagi

2 - King, T rex , W.Smith , Gower

Tier one would all be on over 250k. Id say there is 1.2 million between those 4.People might argue but Vave and Matagi when signed where in demand and one of their teams better props when signed.

Tier 2 id say are all on around 150k. And I do not see any as a problem. They all are worth that.

But I feel 600k of our cap could of been saved from tier 1...

Imagine upgrading Kane Evans salary with a 700k prop and Mannah with a 600k prop.

Say a Woods and Ryan James. It is all of a sudden a different team. We need our backup not to be on big dollars. Either journey men like Gower. Up and comers like Niakuore,G.Jen or youngsters like Mahoney.....

Perfectly said.

 

[84 Baby]

I still think that is poor cap distribution. I think you need to have closer to 15 - 16 genuine first graders, approx 5 fringe first graders and the rest journey men and up-and-coming juniors.

Well the ideal salary cap distribution is 13 players on min wage and the remaining cap paid to the top 17. And then pray there’s no injuries or suspensions or drops in form or origin players or at least when you have to bring Luke Kelly/Will Smith in they don’t derp up the rest of the team

 

[TheRam]

Our salary cap and team quality will never really be right until we get our juniors right no matter what illiterates like Pou say about juniors being irrelevant or who they play for or whatever nonsense he was spouting the other day.

Teams like Parra, Penrith and Canberra, are development clubs. We spend millions on it. We are not Melbourne or Easts, who basically spend their millions on scouting the nation and stockpiling the best up and comers that they can get their hands on.

We have greater emphasis on developing in our own backyard. So when that development isn't happening as well as it should for whatever reason and the kids are either giving the game away or moving to other nurseries, then our senior team will eventually be adversely affected as we have been for a good decade now.

For clubs like ours, we need to always have kids coming through to add and compliment whatever players we have brought into the team from outside the club. When this is happening you then can have a very strong roster by buying the best quality players that are available at almost any price because you know you have the younger players within that are still to paid at full market freight.

It is a juggling act, but one that great football systems like the one that Phil Gould has set up, no surprise that he has taken our junior development manager who was effective, have got right and the sweet fruits are there for all to see. We on the other hand have obviously put very ineffective individual/s in positions that have the power to be very destructive to the successful progress of our juniors path to the elite level.

The proof is in the puddin. Shit team, shit juniors, shit recruitment all round. When will all this crap end and we can just have some people that know how to create, develop, foster, buy, whatever, some sustained success?

Parra's success lies in its junior strength, without it we will never win jack shit. Is it any wonder we won 4 premierships when we were at our peak in developing juniors and had a roster that had more then half the team from the local junior system.

Now I know that the game has moved on since then and now the best players come from all over the country, New Zealand and the Pacific, but our nursery is huge and Penrith have shown the way. The kids are there, we just need the best people that know what the hell they are doing to be given a chance to do their thing. I don't think we have that in place right now.

 

[hindy111]

I reckon you are over estimating how much Vave and Matagi are on, I reckon they are in less then $250k probably closer to 150k to 180k.

Vave has always been a fringe NRL player - he only played 23 games in 2 years at Manly and was close to getting cut during the 2015/16 offseason.

While Matagi was still off contract after the 2016 season had ended (doesn’t indicate high demand), we didn’t sign him until November.

Neither were in high demand.

High demand means 400k +

Vave played 23 games in 2016 and averaged 103 mtrs a tb a game and a offload a game. I wa s excited when he come.

Matagi also played 23 games in 2016.

150k = No way. Both had their best season in career in 2016. And come here to be part of our top 17.Just like Evans.

 

[hindy111]

Same goes for Hoffman. Would of signed for 250k+ His career went backwards at a huge rate. Once was a very good player. Kiwi international I believe?

 

[hindy111]

So other clubs poach our bog average guys like Keppie and Twal by offering them over 150k but when we sign a proven first grader playing well he was cheap.

On 2016 form both where worth 200k. The problem is a guy like tanginoa can do there job and cost 100k

 

[Joshuatheeel]

“Eels circle Sharks for hooker

Don’t be surprised if James Segeyaro ends up at the Eels in 2019.

Parramatta are on the lookout for a hooker for next season and Segeyaro is one of the most dynamic in the business out of dummy half.

Cronulla's James Segeyaro could be a hit at Parramatta. (AAP)
But he has yet to sign a new deal with his current club Cronulla, where he shares the hooking role with classy local junior Jayden Brailey.

Segeyaro has some ‘baggage’ off the field but if the Eels can get him to behave in his down time, he could prove a great signing.

The Tigers have also shown some interest in the former Cowboys number nine.”

https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/07/03...-cronk-could-retire-at-end-of-season-the-mole

 

[Glenneel]

I know we all have different opinions on where the squad is at the moment and whether we can turn it around during an off-season.

If my opinion we aren’t that far away, we have played all the current top 8 sides except roosters and storm (sharks twice, broncos, Penrith twice, dragons, warriors) and apart from 40 mins against Souths, we were still in each game during the last 10. With some luck (and less injuries) we could have won any of those games, some off the games we scored the same tries as the opposition.

But didn't kick for goals from penalties when given right in front. Wtf! This has to be instructions from BA, another BA master stroke, lets score tries and not goals. Has cost us 2-3 games including last Thursday!

 

[Bazal]

“Eels circle Sharks for hooker

Don’t be surprised if James Segeyaro ends up at the Eels in 2019.

Parramatta are on the lookout for a hooker for next season and Segeyaro is one of the most dynamic in the business out of dummy half.

Cronulla's James Segeyaro could be a hit at Parramatta. (AAP)
But he has yet to sign a new deal with his current club Cronulla, where he shares the hooking role with classy local junior Jayden Brailey.

Segeyaro has some ‘baggage’ off the field but if the Eels can get him to behave in his down time, he could prove a great signing.

The Tigers have also shown some interest in the former Cowboys number nine.”

https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/07/03...-cronk-could-retire-at-end-of-season-the-mole

Would be exactly what we need at hooker IMO

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Before the season started during trial games you absused anyone that said our forward pack was SHIT. You were completely wrong then just as you are completely wrong about everything that you dribble on about. The truth is you are full of shit and you don’t know anything about League.

Our forward pack isn't shit though. It is full of first graders and they have been the least of our problems this year. Our main problem has been our back three and our kicking game. Our forwards have been playing well. But Paulo would improve any team's go-forward you f**ken idiot.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I still think that is poor cap distribution. I think you need to have closer to 15 - 16 genuine first graders, approx 5 fringe first graders and the rest journey men and up-and-coming juniors.

That would mean you are spending less per genuine first grader than in my model. Your distribution would look like this:

Sixteen genuine top 17 players ($7M)

Five fringe first graders ($1M)

Nine backups ($1M)