Rumours and Stuff

[Glenneel]

I reckon our problem with squad is there was too many guys on top 17 money that where not part of it had everyone been fit.

Me and Pou both called the roosters squad as thin. A good 15 then a bunch on no names.

As the Roosters are consistently in top 8 imo that needs to be the model we should follow. Doesn't guarantee premiership success but once you have a decent top 17 you can then add a few superstars who hopefully get you over the line. Always easier to recruit when a consistently good team than the shit team we've seemingly been forever.

 

[hineyrulz]

Our salary cap and team quality will never really be right until we get our juniors right no matter what illiterates like Pou say about juniors being irrelevant or who they play for or whatever nonsense he was spouting the other day.

Teams like Parra, Penrith and Canberra, are development clubs. We spend millions on it. We are not Melbourne or Easts, who basically spend their millions on scouting the nation and stockpiling the best up and comers that they can get their hands on.

We have greater emphasis on developing in our own backyard. So when that development isn't happening as well as it should for whatever reason and the kids are either giving the game away or moving to other nurseries, then our senior team will eventually be adversely affected as we have been for a good decade now.

For clubs like ours, we need to always have kids coming through to add and compliment whatever players we have brought into the team from outside the club. When this is happening you then can have a very strong roster by buying the best quality players that are available at almost any price because you know you have the younger players within that are still to paid at full market freight.

It is a juggling act, but one that great football systems like the one that Phil Gould has set up, no surprise that he has taken our junior development manager who was effective, have got right and the sweet fruits are there for all to see. We on the other hand have obviously put very ineffective individual/s in positions that have the power to be very destructive to the successful progress of our juniors path to the elite level.

The proof is in the puddin. Shit team, shit juniors, shit recruitment all round. When will all this crap end and we can just have some people that know how to create, develop, foster, buy, whatever, some sustained success?

Parra's success lies in its junior strength, without it we will never win jack shit. Is it any wonder we won 4 premierships when we were at our peak in developing juniors and had a roster that had more then half the team from the local junior system.

Now I know that the game has moved on since then and now the best players come from all over the country, New Zealand and the Pacific, but our nursery is huge and Penrith have shown the way. The kids are there, we just need the best people that know what the hell they are doing to be given a chance to do their thing. I don't think we have that in place right now.

I know Ram has his critics on here but I fail to see how anyone would argue with what you have said there mate, oh well Pou will but that’s a given

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Our salary cap and team quality will never really be right until we get our juniors right no matter what illiterates like Pou say about juniors being irrelevant or who they play for or whatever nonsense he was spouting the other day.

Have a look at what the good sides do and get back to me.

Teams like Parra, Penrith and Canberra, are development clubs. We spend millions on it. We are not Melbourne or Easts, who basically spend their millions on scouting the nation and stockpiling the best up and comers that they can get their hands on.

Then Parra, Penrith and the Raiders need to change.

We have greater emphasis on developing in our own backyard. So when that development isn't happening as well as it should for whatever reason and the kids are either giving the game away or moving to other nurseries, then our senior team will eventually be adversely affected as we have been for a good decade now.

The only kids giving the game away are the ones who can't play. I did, and so did you, useless jersey grabbing merkin.

For clubs like ours, we need to always have kids coming through to add and compliment whatever players we have brought into the team from outside the club. When this is happening you then can have a very strong roster by buying the best quality players that are available at almost any price because you know you have the younger players within that are still to paid at full market freight.

Agreed, but they don't need to be kids who grew up in f**ken Toongabbie FFS. They should be recruited from everywhere, like all the first graders developed by Brian Smith. The only local juniors who came through while he was in charge were the Cayless twins.

It is a juggling act, but one that great football systems like the one that Phil Gould has set up, no surprise that he has taken our junior development manager who was effective, have got right and the sweet fruits are there for all to see. We on the other hand have obviously put very ineffective individual/s in positions that have the power to be very destructive to the successful progress of our juniors path to the elite level.

The proof is in the puddin. Shit team, shit juniors, shit recruitment all round. When will all this crap end and we can just have some people that know how to create, develop, foster, buy, whatever, some sustained success?

Parra's success lies in its junior strength, without it we will never win jack shit. Is it any wonder we won 4 premierships when we were at our peak in developing juniors and had a roster that had more then half the team from the local junior system.

Now I know that the game has moved on since then and now the best players come from all over the country, New Zealand and the Pacific, but our nursery is huge and Penrith have shown the way. The kids are there, we just need the best people that know what the hell they are doing to be given a chance to do their thing. I don't think we have that in place right now.

What have the Penrith NRL team f**ken done ffs?

 

[Bazal]

That would mean you are spending less per genuine first grader than in my model. Your distribution would look like this:

Sixteen genuine top 17 players ($7M)

Five fringe first graders ($1M)

Nine backups ($1M)

I'd say the ideal formula is based on breaking those designations down into salary tiers and working off the most important positions. Gennings and Norman for eg are both genuine first graders but on wildly different salaries.

I reckon in the modern game you need at least one high salary half, a genuinely quality hooker, a big money prop forward/lock and one of your back three, preferably fullback but as we saw with Semi it could just as easily be a winger. Obviously they have to be worth the money too in all those positions

From that (and that's just a very basic outline cos I'm on the phone) you can work out where you've got a bit more to spend and where you can cut a bit (wing for eg with a guy like Gennings, maybe middle forward with guys like Alvaro and Mannah).

I reckon that's the basic skeleton of your most important positions and from there you can build guys like Gower or Lane, who are "genuine" fringe first graders around your five or so top tier players and another bunch of guys like Ma'u and Brown and whoever in that next tier down.

 

[hineyrulz]

Would be exactly what we need at hooker IMO

Agreed, Segeyaro on two years until Reed is ready would be smart IMO.

 

[Stevie]

Seggy hooker instantly gives us a more dynamic looking go forward. Adding Paulo and dare I say a Tapau style signing and our forward pack is totally different.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

High demand means 400k +

Vave played 23 games in 2016 and averaged 103 mtrs a tb a game and a offload a game. I wa s excited when he come.

Matagi also played 23 games in 2016.

150k = No way. Both had their best season in career in 2016. And come here to be part of our top 17.Just like Evans.

Both would’ve cost about the same as Brown. I reckon the guys at the bottom of the top 17 (probably all middle forwards) would cost about the same as plenty of blokes who miss out.

That said, I reckon Evans is on a lot more than Vave or Matagi. Maybe $300k

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So other clubs poach our bog average guys like Keppie and Twal by offering them over 150k but when we sign a proven first grader playing well he was cheap.

Twal might only be on $150k. He had never even played first grade.

Manly could’ve gotten Keppie just by offering a top 30 spot. He’s probably on less than $80k next year. If we offered a development spot that’s max $60k. A difference of $20k might seem like nothing when we’re talking about merkins on $1M+ but for the bloke choosing between $60k and $80k its a no-brainer. Likewise for the merkin choosing between offers of $130k and $150k. I’ve moved cities for an extra twenty grand. I’m sure I’m not the only one.

On 2016 form both where worth 200k. The problem is a guy like tanginoa can do there job and cost 100k

Probably true, but no merkin knows if Tanginoa can do their job until he shows it in first grade (after he’s signed the contract) and they prove their drop in form (while contracted for a higher amount). You need some known quantities in your squad, and even they can disappoint. But you can’t fill your squad with cheap speculators in the hope that they over-deliver.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Would be exactly what we need at hooker IMO

But maybe not what we need off the field. Of course the strong clubs aren’t interested.

 

[84 Baby]

Agreed, Segeyaro on two years until Reed is ready would be smart IMO.

Plus the good thing about Segeyaro is he can be an impact bench player (as long as injury doesn't strike) so even if Mahoney surpasses him before the end of Segeyaro's contract, there'd still be a spot for him in squad

 

[84 Baby]

But maybe not what we need off the field. Of course the strong clubs aren’t interested.

Surely he'd be able to put Normzie's head in the right space. Remember how good he was playing when he was doing all that off-field shit?

 

[IFR33K]

We’ll aim for Segeyaro, but probably re-sign king.

Then we’ll get fed some bs about the salary cap scandal from ‘16.

 

[Lemon Squash]

Hard to imagine Seggy coming to Parra considering we are about to give his movie co-star the boot

 

[Poupou Escobar]

He’s been happy to not play alongside Norman for his entire career.

 

[IFR33K]

Hard to imagine Seggy coming to Parra considering we are about to give his movie co-star the boot

He’s been happy to not play alongside Norman for his entire career.

And there it is. Took 15 minutes. You’re slackening poo.

 

[hineyrulz]

Plus the good thing about Segeyaro is he can be an impact bench player (as long as injury doesn't strike) so even if Mahoney surpasses him before the end of Segeyaro's contract, there'd still be a spot for him in squad

Yep spot on, he is probably more dangerous off the bench anyway.

 

[hineyrulz]

We’ll aim for Segeyaro, but probably re-sign king.

Then we’ll get fed some bs about the salary cap scandal from ‘16.

lol

 

[Poupou Escobar]

And there it is. Took 15 minutes. You’re slackening poo.

I was driving.

 

[hineyrulz]

But maybe not what we need off the field. Of course the strong clubs aren’t interested.

Cronulla aren’t a strong club??? The only reason they don’t need him they have Brailey Jr the mad merkin who carved our reserve grade side on the weekend.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

“COREY OATES ON THE MOVE?
Corey Oates to Parramatta? Don’t be surprised.

Broncos coach Wayne Bennett is desperate to retain the powerful off-contract winger long-term.

But Parramatta’s interest is genuine. The Eels need a roster overhaul and would play Oates in the second-row.

North Queensland is also interested in Oates, a former Queensland State of Origin winger.”

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