Rumours and Stuff

[hindy111]

This is how it is.

BA will be coach in 2019.
Most our roster is full.
We have a decent squad
We have a new stadium

I am getting behind my team and excited about 2019. If its round 10 and we have less then 3 wins then I will become disgruntled but not before then.
Lets go Eels

Dirty nuthugger

 

[hindy111]

Dont under estimate Auvau and Taka in the back 5. Both had very strong carries. Like forwards. Actually both more powerfull than most our forwards.
Now replace Semi Auvau Taka with
French Hayne and Young Jennings.
Sure Haynes skillfull but he doesnt run like the other 3 and lacks there grunt of their charges

Great post Hindy111. And I agree with you. Have a great day

 

[Twizzle]

wont anyone talk to you ?

 

[El Diablo]

This is how it is.

BA will be coach in 2019.
Most our roster is full.
We have a decent squad
We have a new stadium

BA is going to Penrith?

you beauty!

 

[Noise]

Oh my goodness...

You are the one tying culture to results. That is YOUR argument.

We had 5 wins under Ricky. Improved each year to 16 last year (4th year of improving results). ?

I do believe culture has an impact on our results. Our results haven't been good. Didn't do enough to make the 8 in 2014, 2015 or 2018. Culture plays a part.

And for the last time we haven't had improving results every year since Ricky. Let me spell it out for you:
2014 - 12 wins (10th)
2015 - 9 wins (12th)
Going from 12 wins (10th) to 9 wins (12th) the following year is not improving. Do you see that?

 

[84 Baby]

I do believe culture has an impact on our results. Our results haven't been good. Didn't do enough to make the 8 in 2014, 2015 or 2018. Culture plays a part.

And for the last time we haven't had improving results every year since Ricky. Let me spell it out for you:
2014 - 12 wins (10th)
2015 - 9 wins (12th)
Going from 12 wins (10th) to 9 wins (12th) the following year is not improving. Do you see that?

This really doesn’t help your case

 

[hineyrulz]

Great post Hindy111. And I agree with you. Have a great day

Nuthugger meltdown in progress.

 

[Noise]

This really doesn’t help your case

He seems to think that I am saying culture is the cause of our shitty year in 2018 only. He also points to the fact that we have improved every year since 2014 (which is flat out inaccurate). I believe that our culture has been shit for several years, not just 2018 and that our poor culture (players, staff, etc) has played a part in that. His point about improving results each year means absolutely nothing because it is not true.

 

[84 Baby]

He seems to think that I am saying culture is the cause of our shitty year in 2018 only. He also points to the fact that we have improved every year since 2014 (which is flat out inaccurate). I believe that our culture has been shit for several years, not just 2018 and that our poor culture (players, staff, etc) has played a part in that. His point about improving results each year means absolutely nothing because it is not true.

I had to wade through some shit for this

So I gather then that you think poor culture doesn’t have much effect on team performance/results. I disagree.

You are the one tying results and off-field culture. You're then stating that strictly speaking we didn't improve year to year, whilst at the same time stating that over the BA tenure our culture has been bad. If you were Pou, some would claim you are moving the goal posts.

But then I think your fundamental reasoning is wrong, if you think off-field Norman, Edwards, etc shenanigans equals poor culture equaling poor results. I posted before a number of notoriously poor "cultured" players who have won premierships. There's probably a dozen more still in this year's contest. The only culture that matters in terms of results is the on-field one (games, training and what not). It's why the likes of Matt Lodge can still have viable careers, they may be dickheads off the field, but on it they know how to play and they're good trainers. In many aspects they'll actually improve their teammates because they can be really good on-field motivators as well

 

[Happy MEel]

I had to wade through some shit for this

You are the one tying results and off-field culture. You're then stating that strictly speaking we didn't improve year to year, whilst at the same time stating that over the BA tenure our culture has been bad. If you were Pou, some would claim you are moving the goal posts.

But then I think your fundamental reasoning is wrong, if you think off-field Norman, Edwards, etc shenanigans equals poor culture equaling poor results. I posted before a number of notoriously poor "cultured" players who have won premierships. There's probably a dozen more still in this year's contest. The only culture that matters in terms of results is the on-field one (games, training and what not). It's why the likes of Matt Lodge can still have viable careers, they may be dickheads off the field, but on it they know how to play and they're good trainers. In many aspects they'll actually improve their teammates because they can be really good on-field motivators as well

Where does he say that culture is strictly limited to off field behaviour?

 

[Glenneel]

Yeah what a massive stroke of luck to have less injuries. It's like having a favourable draw FFS!
Here's the ladder and the number of players to appear in 20+ games this year:

15 Roosters
11 Storm
13 Souths
10 Sharks
13 Broncos
10 Panthers
15 Dragons
13 Warriors
9 Tigers
11 Raiders
11 Knights
10 Dogs
10 Cowboys
10 Titans
8 Manly
6 Eels

So were we lucky last year (we had ten blokes play 20+ games) or unlucky this year?

There is a direct correlation between less injuries and your position on the ladder, makes sense. So why do we constantly end amongst the teams most years with the highest injuries? It happens nearly every year. Do we need better conditioning and rehab people? Is our style of play detrimental to our players? All I know is if you pass the ball more you'd be tackled less. Do our smaller forwards result in more injuries against their bigger opponents?
All I know is that until we work out how to reduce injuries permanently we'll never be successful.

 

[84 Baby]

Where does he say that culture is strictly limited to off field behaviour?

Well after wading through the river of shit again you're correct he hasn't limited it to off-field behaviour, but it's semantics because Noise thinks it at least plays a part, and I disagree.

 

[Glenneel]

Maybe but Climate change would be affecting every club. Everyone plays under the same amount of heat and Sun for the first month of the season.

By that logic, QLD teams should either never win in Sydney in July as it's way colder.

But Qld doesn't have daylight saving so gets 1 hour less sun than NSW.

 

[Matty Bhoy]

NRL Rumour Mill on Facebook (yeah, yeah I know), saying Isaac Like to the Knights on a 2 year deal...

 

[TheRam]

Winning the ruck wasn't such a big deal in 2016 or 2017 compared to this year. All the extra penalties this year rewarded the bigger packs, though it still didn't help the Cowboys.

There's no such thing as a favourable draw unless you're better than most teams.

Yeah what a massive stroke of luck to have less injuries. It's like having a favourable draw FFS!
Here's the ladder and the number of players to appear in 20+ games this year:

15 Roosters
11 Storm
13 Souths
10 Sharks
13 Broncos
10 Panthers
15 Dragons
13 Warriors
9 Tigers
11 Raiders
11 Knights
10 Dogs
10 Cowboys
10 Titans
8 Manly
6 Eels

So were we lucky last year (we had ten blokes play 20+ games) or unlucky this year?
Who are the two big forwards? Lane is no bigger than Evans, and Vave isn't much smaller than Paulo.

Ferguson addresses our biggest weakness, but Hayne could also have done a great job on the wing this year if he hadn't missed so many games.

If our halves had played as well as last year (behind the same pack) we would've won the possession count a lot more. Our forwards would have been big enough.

No such thing as a favourable draw? Now I've heard everything. I couldn't be bothered even arguing this one. Lets just say you are in fairyland or are just plain lying.

Yes as you yourself just pointed out we had almost twice as many players play 20+ games last year, so injuries did play a roll just like I said.

Like I have said on many occasions and you keep glossing over it to suit your argument, QUALITY big players is what I and others are referring to. Which you and the other negative posters know all to well, but love to sidestep. Evans and Vave...oh pleeease.

If our halves had played like last year? Yeah right. Halves only play well when a team wins the ruck. Big QUALITY forwards win the ruck or powerful fast backs. Our forwards lost their Zip this year. We can argue over the reasons forever, but mine they lost it for the reasons I have already stated, plus ultimately I blame the coach for not recruiting quality size. He should of anticipated that they had been playing out of their skin to dominate and win the ruck going on 2 plus years and maybe something like this season was around the corner.

I believe that he should have been addressing the quality, powerful player from the day he arrived, but really didn't. He kept looking for budget players and yes sometimes they come off, like Brown, who I for one always thought was quality and was stoked Souths dropped the ball on. But ultimately you get what you pay for.

The best recruiters are the best coaches long term. BA has been a mixed bag and therefore the results are the same.

 

[JokerEel]

NRL Rumour Mill on Facebook (yeah, yeah I know), saying Isaac Like to the Knights on a 2 year deal...

Wonder why he is leaving the Warriors? Money/Kearney keeps calling him a lad?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So every team played back to back on 40 degree days?

Do you have evidence? I'll propose that only Parra played the first 2 rounds in that extreme heat.

Serious question: Do you exercise? Do a hefty workout in 40 degree heat and tell me it doesn't sap you.

Also, training in warmth and playing in cold is advantageous until the cold gets to extreme (sub 0) levels. The only place that really happens is Canberra (occasionally), and they have a decent record under the conditions don't they??

Not only did we play in 40 degrees in round two, but we did it with only 30% of the ball. That’s a lot of tackling.

 

[TheRam]

Apparently he only signed for $450k too.

Yeah apparently he wants more and he isn't worth more.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

There is a direct correlation between less injuries and your position on the ladder, makes sense. So why do we constantly end amongst the teams most years with the highest injuries?

Constantly? In 2016-2017 (winning seasons) we had an average amount of injuries. Only this year (and 2015) did we have a horrific injury toll. Both losing seasons.

It happens nearly every year.

No.

Do we need better conditioning and rehab people?

Like I said, injury-prone (or suspension-prone) players are cheaper, and we have less to spend on players.

Is our style of play detrimental to our players? All I know is if you pass the ball more you'd be tackled less.

Tackled less because of more dropped ball? WTF are you claiming here?

Do our smaller forwards result in more injuries against their bigger opponents?
All I know is that until we work out how to reduce injuries permanently we'll never be successful.

I think there is the possibility of having more than the usual amount of players who refuse to play injured. People talk about Watmough being old and injury prone, but he still played 20+ games every year since 2005. If he hadn't gotten season-ending surgery he would've played 20 games for us in 2015. He might've needed surgery but he ran for over 100 metres in five of his past six games for us so the injury wasn't exactly holding him back. He was a tough merkin who could play through pain.

 

[Noise]

Well after wading through the river of shit again you're correct he hasn't limited it to off-field behaviour, but it's semantics because Noise thinks it at least plays a part, and I disagree.

I am referring to culture at the whole joint, both on and off the field.

As far as the off field culture being shit some teams can probably get away with it more than others because they have strong leadership both on and off field. We don't.