Rumours and Stuff

[Gronk]

You can read into the first comment under that post.

I was referring to another name drop actually.

 

[Snoochies]

I was referring to another name drop actually.

Yeah just saw that one as well.
Greenberg might be a tad nervous today.

 

[TheRam]

Just wanted to put two things out there before the season started in a few hours.

One, for the life of me I don't get why Seibold hasn't moved Heaven and Earth to prize Chad Townsend from the Sharks. Sure it wouldn't be easy, but I don't think that it would be all that hard either considering the circumstances the Sharks are in and they have Johnson and Moylan to fall back on.

He for mine is their missing piece for the Premiership. What a team they otherwise have. WOW! Premiership favourites if they had Townsend.

And two, I think when we sack BA we should go hard for Cooper Cronk as coach or at least co-coach with Mick Potter while he is learning the roll. A dual first grade coaching roll like the Raiders did all those years ago with Ferner and Bennett.

I think Cooper has the makings of an exceptional coach. He is the sort of person that leaves no stone unturned and a very smart and inquiring mind. Look at the way he turned himself into the QLD and Australian halfback from nothing initially other then his will and determination.

He has the utmost respect amongst all the NRL players and wider community and he is a great communicator. All things that make for a great coach. I think we should act first though. If we don't and the Roosters or another team hook him in then it may be almost impossible for us to bring him to us.

Also now that we are settled again with our Stadium if we did think outside the box and did something as bold as make Cronk the coach, I would make sure that I would also hire the best possible support staff available to support him. And also bring in people like Peter Mullholland, Matthew Johns, Michael Ennis, Hayden Knowles as examples of just a few candidates.

Most of these types seem to have avoided us for far to long. We have to sign a head coach that anyone and everyone would be eager to work with. I believe Cooper is this type of man. Sure, will he be ready straight up? Probably not, that's why I would have him do the first two seasons with Potter equally by his side to help with the workload and some of the pressures that will invariably present over his early learning period. But I believe he would be more then worth it.

He if successful, and I think the odds are very, very good that he would be, would be a massive lure for recruiting players too. We need to change the way we have been doing things, I think this is a great first step in that process.

But we need to do it before he gets sucked in to the easy world and lifestyle of Television which will undoubtedly try hard to seduce him. I would court him like a young nubile virgin on a third date. Make him believe in us and what we have to offer.

Just my thoughts cos I'm an ideas man.

 

[Soren Lorenson]

Also now that we are settled again with our Stadium if we did think outside the box and did something as bold as make Cronk the coach, I would make sure that I would also hire the best possible support staff available to support him. And also bring in people like Peter Mullholland, Matthew Johns, Michael Ennis, Hayden Knowles as examples of just a few candidates.

Not arguing here Ram as I am interested in having meaningful discussions, but.....
Peter Mulholland has been here before hasn't he?
What evidence is there that M Johns is up there with the best support staff
Michael Ennis said no already. He is also not renowned as a superior support staff being only just retired. He may turn out that way, but he's not yet.
Knowles was also previously employed by the club.

Without a ball having been kicked, how do we know that the likes of Miguel Jiminez the former Storm trainer, hasn't done wonders for the team since coming in. Mick Potter may show his influence once the team is on the field too. I don't disagree with the fact that BA is rightly under pressure, but we reviewed made some changes, have brought in a couple of players to fill gaps and promoted some outstanding juniors. IMO, we need to give this a chance.

 

[84 Baby]

Just wanted to put two things out there before the season started in a few hours.

One, for the life of me I don't get why Seibold hasn't moved Heaven and Earth to prize Chad Townsend from the Sharks. Sure it wouldn't be easy, but I don't think that it would be all that hard either considering the circumstances the Sharks are in and they have Johnson and Moylan to fall back on.

He for mine is their missing piece for the Premiership. What a team they otherwise have. WOW! Premiership favourites if they had Townsend.

And two, I think when we sack BA we should go hard for Cooper Cronk as coach or at least co-coach with Mick Potter while he is learning the roll. A dual first grade coaching roll like the Raiders did all those years ago with Ferner and Bennett.

I think Cooper has the makings of an exceptional coach. He is the sort of person that leaves no stone unturned and a very smart and inquiring mind. Look at the way he turned himself into the QLD and Australian halfback from nothing initially other then his will and determination.

He has the utmost respect amongst all the NRL players and wider community and he is a great communicator. All things that make for a great coach. I think we should act first though. If we don't and the Roosters or another team hook him in then it may be almost impossible for us to bring him to us.

Also now that we are settled again with our Stadium if we did think outside the box and did something as bold as make Cronk the coach, I would make sure that I would also hire the best possible support staff available to support him. And also bring in people like Peter Mullholland, Matthew Johns, Michael Ennis, Hayden Knowles as examples of just a few candidates.

Most of these types seem to have avoided us for far to long. We have to sign a head coach that anyone and everyone would be eager to work with. I believe Cooper is this type of man. Sure, will he be ready straight up? Probably not, that's why I would have him do the first two seasons with Potter equally by his side to help with the workload and some of the pressures that will invariably present over his early learning period. But I believe he would be more then worth it.

He if successful, and I think the odds are very, very good that he would be, would be a massive lure for recruiting players too. We need to change the way we have been doing things, I think this is a great first step in that process.

But we need to do it before he gets sucked in to the easy world and lifestyle of Television which will undoubtedly try hard to seduce him. I would court him like a young nubile virgin on a third date. Make him believe in us and what we have to offer.

Just my thoughts cos I'm an ideas man.

I'm not against your ideas per se but just because Cronk is a good player, doesn't mean he'd be a good coach. There are plenty of examples proving so, and very few examples showing it can happen. Again not against him becoming a coach (I strongly suspect it isn't on his radar though) but we all know who'd be 1st to berate the club for hiring a rookie coach when he didn't work out. And if you think he wasn't signed up to some sort of media deal well before leaving Melbourne, you're dreaming.
On the others being the best support staff...
Knowles is good at what he does but it's not the be all end all of league
Mulholland was involved with 1 premiership winning side and helped form the current Drags, but I don't get why people think he's some sort of genius
Ennis already knocked us back and same with Cronk - there's no real evidence he's a decent coach
And the wrong Johns

 

[Gronk]

Not arguing here Ram as I am interested in having meaningful discussions, but.....
Peter Mulholland has been here before hasn't he?
What evidence is there that M Johns is up there with the best support staff
Michael Ennis said no already. He is also not renowned as a superior support staff being only just retired. He may turn out that way, but he's not yet.
Knowles was also previously employed by the club.

Without a ball having been kicked, how do we know that the likes of Miguel Jiminez the former Storm trainer, hasn't done wonders for the team since coming in. Mick Potter may show his influence once the team is on the field too. I don't disagree with the fact that BA is rightly under pressure, but we reviewed made some changes, have brought in a couple of players to fill gaps and promoted some outstanding juniors. IMO, we need to give this a chance.

I also think that you could not pry Cooper Cronk away from TV world with $1m. He and his TV Mrs have bought a keeper house in Mosman and I am sure between them they will be on good coin.

I see Cooper taking over Kevvie for Origin maybe (when Kevvie gets that NRL gig).

Speaking of Kevvie, I know that Holbrook has been mentioned as a possible replacement for BA, but it came out last week that Kevvie knocked back a 3 year deal at the WTigers on the promise that he'd get the Broncos gig. I would like Kevvie at the Eels, if BA is not extended.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Kevin Walters is more our speed.

 

[Soren Lorenson]

I also think that you could not pry Cooper Cronk away from TV world with $1m. He and his TV Mrs have bought a keeper house in Mosman and I am sure between them they will be on good coin.

I see Cooper taking over Kevvie for Origin maybe (when Kevvie gets that NRL gig).

Speaking of Kevvie, I know that Holbrook has been mentioned as a possible replacement for BA, but it came out last week that Kevvie knocked back a 3 year deal at the WTigers on the promise that he'd get the Broncos gig. I would like Kevvie at the Eels, if BA is not extended.

I also wouldn't be against Kevvie as our 1st grade coach. I do think that BA will hang on longer than we all think though, and that Potter will replace him if he goes.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I reckon Kevin Walters is overrated is wont be a successful coach.

 

[T.S Quint]

Maybe Cronk doesn’t want to be a coach.
If he’s smart he’d avoid it like the plague and get himself a cushy media job when he retires. Either Fox Sports or Channel 9 would have take him on board in a second.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Maybe Cronk doesn’t want to be a coach.
If he’s smart he’d avoid it like the plague and get himself a cushy media job when he retires. Either Fox Sports or Channel 9 would have take him on board in a second.

It’s easier and more stable work.

 

[Glenneel]

A slap on the wrist isn't the only alternative to sacking him. And what message does it send to the playing group if they sack one of their mates for an incident that doesn't deserve it? It wouldn't engender loyalty in them. We had a review because we were losing, not for any excessive amount of player incidents. We've already sacked Edwards and shipped off Norman. I don't think we're in real need to "send a message" to the playing group. Just let them know what's expected of them and deal with any incident on its merits.

It really was a minor incident, and coming onto a flight attendant, if they were the words spoken, was not offensive in itself. That she probably told him to piss off and he did certainly doesn't compound anything. He should have been fined AND allowed to play, all this has done is penalise the team. I mean other club's players have done worse and copped very minor fines in comparison. For some reason we seem to over compensate by making the punishment harsh.

 

[TheRam]

As for the support staff that I chose in my post, like Johns and Ennis, they are elite for the specialist positions that they coach, halves and hookers. Bellamy and others wouldn't be going back to that well over and over if Johns didn't offer more then your average specialist coach and as for Ennis, he is very, very good at communicating his knowledge and all current players know what he brings and would respect that on many levels.

As for the other two, they are old hands and experienced campaigners that are at the top of the tree in what they do. They were all just suggestions and obviously not set in stone. Cronk is the real target and he would obviously have a say in who he would want to assist and support him. My point was more that we should not hold back and skimp on our football department anymore and buy the best when available.

As for Cronk being a great coach, It is my opinion that he would be if he ever were to want to have a real crack at it for all the reasons that I have already stated. The only thing that I see as an obstacle to him having a great coaching career is television.

As for your suggestion Pou that Walters is more our speed. Of course you would suggest that. Mediocrity is your go to safe place. Champion!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Just stating the reality. If Cronk was going to be the next big thing in coaching he would go to a stable club with more to offer than just the biggest whinging supporter base in Sydney.

 

[T.S Quint]

It’s easier and more stable work.

Imagine the stress of being a FG coach. You have to rely on a bunch of moron footy players to do well in order to keep your job.

 

[Gronk]

Imagine the stress of being a FG coach. You have to rely on a bunch of moron footy players to do well in order to keep your job.

100% like hearding cats.

 

[TheRam]

On the game with the Panthers this weekend, I have a feeling Dallin Watene-Zelezni will tear us a new one. Apparently he has had stem cell injections in his troublesome knee and is now running more freely then he ever has.

I wonder if Inglis has looked into or tried stem cells for his troublesome knee? Seems very strange if he hasn't.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Imagine the stress of being a FG coach. You have to rely on a bunch of moron footy players to do well in order to keep your job.

And have the media and fans decide how you’re performing.

 

[Glenneel]

Just wanted to put two things out there before the season started in a few hours.

One, for the life of me I don't get why Seibold hasn't moved Heaven and Earth to prize Chad Townsend from the Sharks. Sure it wouldn't be easy, but I don't think that it would be all that hard either considering the circumstances the Sharks are in and they have Johnson and Moylan to fall back on.

He for mine is their missing piece for the Premiership. What a team they otherwise have. WOW! Premiership favourites if they had Townsend.

And two, I think when we sack BA we should go hard for Cooper Cronk as coach or at least co-coach with Mick Potter while he is learning the roll. A dual first grade coaching roll like the Raiders did all those years ago with Ferner and Bennett.

I think Cooper has the makings of an exceptional coach. He is the sort of person that leaves no stone unturned and a very smart and inquiring mind. Look at the way he turned himself into the QLD and Australian halfback from nothing initially other then his will and determination.

He has the utmost respect amongst all the NRL players and wider community and he is a great communicator. All things that make for a great coach. I think we should act first though. If we don't and the Roosters or another team hook him in then it may be almost impossible for us to bring him to us.

Also now that we are settled again with our Stadium if we did think outside the box and did something as bold as make Cronk the coach, I would make sure that I would also hire the best possible support staff available to support him. And also bring in people like Peter Mullholland, Matthew Johns, Michael Ennis, Hayden Knowles as examples of just a few candidates.

Most of these types seem to have avoided us for far to long. We have to sign a head coach that anyone and everyone would be eager to work with. I believe Cooper is this type of man. Sure, will he be ready straight up? Probably not, that's why I would have him do the first two seasons with Potter equally by his side to help with the workload and some of the pressures that will invariably present over his early learning period. But I believe he would be more then worth it.

He if successful, and I think the odds are very, very good that he would be, would be a massive lure for recruiting players too. We need to change the way we have been doing things, I think this is a great first step in that process.

But we need to do it before he gets sucked in to the easy world and lifestyle of Television which will undoubtedly try hard to seduce him. I would court him like a young nubile virgin on a third date. Make him believe in us and what we have to offer.

Just my thoughts cos I'm an ideas man.

I believe he has to pass some coaching course first and be registered as a coach before can actually coach. Left field thought which has some merit.

 

[Bazal]

Just stating the reality. If Cronk was going to be the next big thing in coaching he would go to a stable club with more to offer than just the biggest whinging supporter base in Sydney.

Just in Sydney?