Rumours and Stuff

[lingard]

Mate, I was referring to his attitude and passion to play well most weeks. If we had 6 forwards like him with the differing duties that they would all be assigned to do. At the moment we are lucky to get any of them to play at their higher level once or twice a month. Just not good enough.

They really need the riot act given to them this week, and whoever doesn't deliver should be shunted to oblivion. I don't care anymore if we have 17 reserve graders playing in the NRL team. At least then when we lose the way we have been(64 to 10) it will make sense and fans will at least understand.

At the moment this team has the personnel to play way better and actually if they played to their potential are a top 4 team. But the way they have been expressing that ability and talent, we will be vying for the spoon again in a couple of weeks.

Woo Hoo for us again! Number 15 coming up. Go BA. To have re-signed a coach that once again is inching towards that outcome, is bordering on criminal if you ask me. We should of waited, no matter what the lame media were saying. We have't learnt a thing. Gurr is a hoax.

Sorry, Ram. With our personnel we aren't anywhere near a top four team. But I blame the coach and/or management for that.

 

[lingard]

Just asking, did you expect the Eels to win a premiership this year or just improve marginally/significantly from 2018?

Just improve marginally on last year. I think I tipped them to come about twelfth. I'm talking about what we need to be aiming for in the next three to four years. I seriously think we should aim to win the premiership in three to four years.

 

[lingard]

Then you should have said it to someone else instead of me. Don't tell me shit I already know.

Well don't repeat the same stuff back to me when you know I already know you know it.

 

[Chipmunk]

I'm obviously not suggesting they pay top dollar for backups ffs

They probably have a dozen players earning $500k+ with probably a couple earning over a million. We probably only have four players earning more than half a million, with the highest on less than $800k.

I'd be surprised if the Storm had anywhere near close to a dozen players in their current squad on $500k+

Outside of Chambers, Munster, Jesse Bromwich and Cam Smith, I'd say very few if anyone gets paid more than $500k. I'd say the likes of Asofa-Solomona, Funicane, Kafusi are around that $500k mark and potentially slightly over.

Outside of that I'd say they've got f**k all on that kind of coin.

In regard to their $1million in TPA's in 2018. I'd suggest 2 players took up 75% of that.

 

[Chipmunk]

If you had six forwards like Brown they wouldn't all be able to make a run every four minutes, yet they'd want to be paid for that. It'd be a waste of money and your team would be weak in other areas.

Players who are in the team for their defence (especially middle forwards) are cheaper, which is a big part of optimising your salary cap.

Alvaro and Moeroa are better than forwards playing regular first grade for the Storm and Roosters. Kane Evans played one game of reserve grade in three years with the Chooks yet at Parra he's played plenty.

So are you now admitting that Evans is average?

 

[Eelogical]

Just improve marginally on last year. I think I tipped them to come about twelfth. I'm talking about what we need to be aiming for in the next three to four years. I seriously think we should aim to win the premiership in three to four years.

As frustrating as it is to be an Eels supporter, that should be, and is the goal of every team each year. There are more arse poundings to come this year as well as some significant victories. Let's all just take a deep breath..................FFS!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I'd be surprised if the Storm had anywhere near close to a dozen players in their current squad on $500k+

I'm talking about the Roosters.

Outside of Chambers, Munster, Jesse Bromwich and Cam Smith, I'd say very few if anyone gets paid more than $500k. I'd say the likes of Asofa-Solomona, Funicane, Kafusi are around that $500k mark and potentially slightly over.

Outside of that I'd say they've got f**k all on that kind of coin.

In regard to their $1million in TPA's in 2018. I'd suggest 2 players took up 75% of that.

Agreed. Though I still think the Storm have a few financial advantages outside of their declared TPAs. Last time they made three straight grand finals they were cheating. They have now made three straight grand finals again.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

If we are looking for a forward leader Jake T wouId be perfect, but he is no chance really. However he is off contract next year

Brent Read on MMM on Thursday night said the sea eagles are thinking about tabling an offer to Jai Arrow when he comes off contract. Maybe they're worried Jake won't re-sign? Or he'll be too expensive to re-sign?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So are you now admitting that Evans is average?

I admitted it last year when he was revealed to be a depth player. Then when I saw Arthur had described him as such when the signing was announced I understood a bit more about how rosters are built.

 

[Chipmunk]

I'm talking about the Roosters.

Agreed. Though I still think the Storm have a few financial advantages outside of their declared TPAs. Last time they made three straight grand finals they were cheating. They have now made three straight grand finals again.

I'd say their three main players up until 2017 where in the Top 10 players who you could legitimately say were worthy of real TPA's probably indicates that they were able to pay more legitimately outside of the salary cap than any other team in that period.

However, now that 2 of them have gone still doesn't indicate why they still should be winning. There is no way that TPA's provided to Slater and Cronk were just moved to someone else in the squad because they played for the same team (except maybe to increase Smith's TPA money). I'd suggest once Slater and Cronk left Melbourne, so did half of their TPA's.

 

[Chipmunk]

Brent Read on MMM on Thursday night said the sea eagles are thinking about tabling an offer to Jai Arrow when he comes off contract. Maybe they're worried Jake won't re-sign? Or he'll be too expensive to re-sign?

You have 6 middle forwards in a 17. Jake Trbohevic can only play one of them.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I'd say their three main players up until 2017 where in the Top 10 players who you could legitimately say were worthy of real TPA's probably indicates that they were able to pay more legitimately outside of the salary cap than any other team in that period.

However, now that 2 of them have gone still doesn't indicate why they still should be winning. There is no way that TPA's provided to Slater and Cronk were just moved to someone else in the squad because they played for the same team (except maybe to increase Smith's TPA money). I'd suggest once Slater and Cronk left Melbourne, so did half of their TPA's.

The point is that the legit TPAs were paid as much for the players' marketability as their playing ability (which is what the salary cap covers). Therefore the legit TPAs in fact didn't provide the Storm an advantage, and so their advantage came from 'somewhere else'.

It's interesting that so many players leave Melbourne for the Cowboys. Perhaps they are type of player more willing to accept non-guaranteed third party offers as part of contract negotiations? How about undocumented third party offers? There's a multitude of ways they can be arranged and delivered.

 

[Chipmunk]

The point is that the legit TPAs were paid as much for the players' marketability as their playing ability (which is what the salary cap covers). Therefore the legit TPAs in fact didn't provide the Storm an advantage, and so their advantage came from 'somewhere else'.

It's interesting that so many players leave Melbourne for the Cowboys. Perhaps they are type of player more willing to accept non-guaranteed third party offers as part of contract negotiations? How about undocumented third party offers? There's a multitude of ways they can be arranged and delivered.

Why doesn't it provide the Storm an advantage? If three players in your squad can roughly get $500k each in TPA's, that mean that you can pay them under the cap $1.5 less in total and the other 27 players in the squad the same amount that everyone else needs to pay 30 players with the players at the top end of your cap virtually excluded.

I'd be surprised if any of these Storm players who have left the Storm, got a cent in TPA's whilst at the Storm.

If any more than 5 players in the current Storm squad are getting TPA's I'd be shocked.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

A fantastic player. And not flash in the pan, proves himself week in week out... He would be your Adam Ritson type coup of a signing.

Saying all of that, Manly will match any offer or close enough to keep him on the northern beaches. Strikes me as the kind of guy who would legit forgo 100K a year to stay playing for Manly.... He'll be getting huge money wherever its coming from....

The problem for them is Tommy T and Evans are probably are/going to be on close to a million. Could they afford to have a 3rd player on a million as well?

Not saying Jake is worth $1 million, but if we manage our squad and spine negotiations smartly we could be paying unders for Mahoney / Drown in 2021/22 potentially allowing us to pay overs for a “Jake T”.

 

[Happy MEel]

The problem for them is Tommy T and Evans are probably are/going to be on close to a million. Could they afford to have a 3rd player on a million as well?

Not saying Jake is worth $1 million, but if we manage our squad and spine negotiations smartly we could be paying unders for Mahoney / Drown in 2021/22 potentially allowing us to pay overs for a “Jake T”.

Jake T is exactly the kind of player we need. Sadly he has Maroon and white flowing through his veins. Absolute class individual on and off the field.

 

[Happy MEel]

Professional footballers, like any professional, SHOULDN'T need someone to remind them not to f**k up the simple basics of their role. Like dropping the ball, not following instructions, and how to tackle.

Once they run onto the field they are responsible directly for their own actions... which is why they need an onfield leader to keep them focused.

Fair point. But in a professional setting you would expect that same individual to be performance managed so that they perform to the expectations set by that organisation. If they still don’t meet those expectations then they should be let go. The management or this organisation are then responsible for recruiting people capable of filling that position. We have the same bone heads, making the same mistakes week in week out, and more often than not remain in first grade.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Why doesn't it provide the Storm an advantage? If three players in your squad can roughly get $500k each in TPA's, that mean that you can pay them under the cap $1.5 less in total

But you can't pay them less. Their TPA money isn't contingent on them playing for your club, so you still have to match what rivals are offering. Because they get to 'take advantage' of the TPAs too. More to the point, they offer no advantage.

Do you really think Queensland Bananas gave a f**k whether Billy Slater played for the Storm or the Broncos?

 

[Chipmunk]

But you can't pay them less. Their TPA money isn't contingent on them playing for your club, so you still have to match what rivals are offering. Because they get to take advantage of the TPAs too.

Do you really think Queensland Bananas gave a f**k whether Billy Slater played for the Storm or the Broncos?

I think a team in another location has to pay slightly more for a star player to be bothered to move from that location, but you would think that would have only a small cap impact. There would also be some small portion of the TPA that would be 'associated' with the player playing for that club, although a superstar player you would expect could replace that actual TPA at a new club.

At the end of the day, it comes down to how much a star player wants to move locations. I'd suggest if Cooper Cronk's missus wasn't who she was and in the location she was, that he would still be playing for the Storm.

 

[Avenger]

A fantastic player. And not flash in the pan, proves himself week in week out... He would be your Adam Ritson type coup of a signing.

Saying all of that, Manly will match any offer or close enough to keep him on the northern beaches. Strikes me as the kind of guy who would legit forgo 100K a year to stay playing for Manly.... He'll be getting huge money wherever its coming from....

Serbian boy, what else would you expect? I'd take Nick Cotric and Tom Opacic from the Cowboys too.

 

[emjaycee]

The point is that the legit TPAs were paid as much for the players' marketability as their playing ability (which is what the salary cap covers). Therefore the legit TPAs in fact didn't provide the Storm an advantage, and so their advantage came from 'somewhere else'.

It's interesting that so many players leave Melbourne for the Cowboys. Perhaps they are type of player more willing to accept non-guaranteed third party offers as part of contract negotiations? How about undocumented third party offers? There's a multitude of ways they can be arranged and delivered.

I think when you move from Melbourne to Townsville there is some local council incentive that gas something to do with getting your new house built at below cost price.