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Gronk

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Just saying that you can't denigrate someone else's judgement of player X because Coach Y didn't list him in an emerging rep team... To top it off, you're then defending Fittler for picking spuds like Fuimaono in the list saying "he can't get em all right"... And what's with that list anyway - there's more bloke's in it than missed out on it. It's like a "hooray for everything" squad where people get in if they can successfully tie their own shoelaces...

There's been plenty of coaches who have had questionable judgement in terms of player talent over the years... I mean, hell, our own Brad Arthur re-signed Will Smith....
More spin than @Poupou Escobar :slight_smile::upside_down::slight_smile::upside_down::slight_smile:
 

TheRam

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Matterson has never been better than anyone we already had, including now.

Firstly grading players from within our development squads generally means that those players see themselves as Parra through and through and have a love for the club, its people and what it stands for and secondly, that can and generally does equate to less dollars initially and overall to keep them here as opposed to finding and recruiting similar type players from outside who are only coming here for a pay cheque.
 

TheRam

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And you know my response to yours.

Tepai has been named in the emerging blues side 3 times so far and he is only 23. Matterson is actually older than him.

Sorry, but I rate Freddy’s judgement over yours.

The 2018 Emerging Blues squad (in club and alphabetical order) is:

Payne Haas (Brisbane Broncos)

Tevita Pengai Jr. (Brisbane Broncos)

Michael Lichaa (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs)

Nick Cotric (Canberra Raiders)

Jayden Brailey (Cronulla Sharks)

Kyle Flanagan (Cronulla Sharks)

Jessie Ramien (Cronulla Sharks)

Lachlan Croker (Manly Warringah Sea Eagles)

Jack Gosiewski (Manly Warringah Sea Eagles)

Brian Kelly (Manly Warringah Sea Eagles)

Luke Metcalf (Manly Warringah Sea Eagles)

Curtis Scott (Melbourne Storm)

Brock Lamb (Newcastle Knights)

Daniel Saifiti (Newcastle Knights)

Connor Watson (Newcastle Knights)

Nathan Cleary (Penrith Panthers)

Dylan Edwards (Penrith Panthers)

Moses Leota (Penrith Panthers)

Bevan French (Parramatta Eels)

Tepai Moeroa (Parramatta Eels)

Mitchell Moses (Parramatta Eels)

Kyle Schneider (Parramatta Eels)

Jake Hazard (Sydney Roosters)

Latrell Mitchell (Sydney Roosters)

Victor Radley (Sydney Roosters)

Angus Crichton (South Sydney Rabbitohs)

Tyrell Fuimaono (South Sydney Rabbitohs)

Campbell Graham (South Sydney Rabbitohs)

Cameron Murray (South Sydney Rabbitohs)

Matt Dufty (St George Illawarra Dragons)

Jai Field (St George Illawarra Dragons)

Zac Lomax (St George Illawarra Dragons)

Reece Robson (St George Illawarra Dragons)

Hame Sele (St George Illawarra Dragons)

Jacob Liddle (Wests Tigers)

Bayley Sironen (Wests Tigers)

Moses Suli (Wests Tigers)

Alex Twal (Wests Tigers)

https://www.northernstar.com.au/news/nsw-coach-brad-fittler-names-38man-emerging-blues-/3293982/


Like I said, you know my thoughts on that AND I think that I and a few others here have been vindicated so far on what each player has achieved so far. That list you post is a joke to assume that each of those players will eventually ever get close to SOO. It is a list of any promising young player as a snapshot at the time.
 

Poupou Escobar

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That list you post is a joke to assume that each of those players will eventually ever get close to SOO.
The point isn't that they will (which largely depends on which team they end up playing for), it is that they all could.

Look at Addo-Carr. A skinny speed merchant. He goes to Melbourne where all his kick return opportunities come against teams forced to kick from inside their own half. Imagine how good he would look if he was receiving bombs near his own tryline five or six times every week. He would be nowhere near Origin. Instead he is in a team where he can take advantage of his strengths and hide his weaknesses. This is true of nearly every player who appears in Origin.
 

TheRam

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The point isn't that they will (which largely depends on which team they end up playing for), it is that they all could.

Look at Addo-Carr. A skinny speed merchant. He goes to Melbourne where all his kick return opportunities come against teams forced to kick from inside their own half. Imagine how good he would look if he was receiving bombs near his own tryline five or six times every week. He would be nowhere near Origin. Instead he is in a team where he can take advantage of his strengths and hide his weaknesses. This is true of nearly every player who appears in Origin.

Or a lot of those players won't even be good 1st graders over time. Ado-Carr was a very good player as was that other wing speedster the tigers stuffed up on and allowed to go to the Storm, who now plays Union, but I can't think of his name right now. The Tigers have suffered big time over the last decade in keeping some very talented players.

When Ado-Carr and the other fellow, left the Tigers, I lamented that they weren't coming to the eels. Also same goes for Fifita, especially since he came from our catchment area. When the Tigers stuff up, we should make it our mission to try and capitalize on their mistakes since they are our neighbors and a player would/could look favourably on not having to move to far and keep playing in the area. Friends and family and all of that.

Edit: Marika Koroibete is that other flyer the Tigers couldn't see any value in.
 

hineyrulz

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Just saying that you can't denigrate someone else's judgement of player X because Coach Y didn't list him in an emerging rep team... To top it off, you're then defending Fittler for picking spuds like Fuimaono in the list saying "he can't get em all right"... And what's with that list anyway - there's more bloke's in it than missed out on it. It's like a "hooray for everything" squad where people get in if they can successfully tie their own shoelaces...

There's been plenty of coaches who have had questionable judgement in terms of player talent over the years... I mean, hell, our own Brad Arthur re-signed Will Smith....
He re-signed Will Smith for 3 years :neutral_face:
 

Glenneel

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So you would have matched the Roosters offer and kept him ? Who would you have played him in front of ? Beau Scott, Kenny Edwards, Manu Ma’u or Tepai Moeroa ?
My recollection was that we offered him to Roosters (as his father played there) to free up cap space, no doubt for some nuffie. He was always big and talented, probably not enough skill set for the halves but definitely for SR. Roosters put the polish on him, something we seem to lack.
 

84 Baby

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Or a lot of those players won't even be good 1st graders over time. Ado-Carr was a very good player as was that other wing speedster the tigers stuffed up on and allowed to go to the Storm, who now plays Union, but I can't think of his name right now. The Tigers have suffered big time over the last decade in keeping some very talented players.

When Ado-Carr and the other fellow, left the Tigers, I lamented that they weren't coming to the eels. Also same goes for Fifita, especially since he came from our catchment area. When the Tigers stuff up, we should make it our mission to try and capitalize on their mistakes since they are our neighbors and a player would/could look favourably on not having to move to far and keep playing in the area. Friends and family and all of that.

Edit: Marika Koroibete is that other flyer the Tigers couldn't see any value in.
The same Koroibete that the Scum also let walk?
 

Gronk

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My recollection was that we offered him to Roosters (as his father played there) to free up cap space, no doubt for some nuffie. He was always big and talented, probably not enough skill set for the halves but definitely for SR. Roosters put the polish on him, something we seem to lack.

Well my recollection is that he was off contract.

If you read @I bleed blue & gold 's post, WE wanted to move him into the backrow, however HE wanted to play 6. Hence why Roosters signed him for the 2016 season when Maloney left for the Sharks.

Indeed he was the starting 5/8 in game 1 2016 season.
 

Soren Lorenson

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Well my recollection is that he was off contract.

If you read @I bleed blue & gold 's post, WE wanted to move him into the backrow, however HE wanted to play 6. Hence why Roosters signed him for the 2016 season when Maloney left for the Sharks.

Indeed he was the starting 5/8 in game 1 2016 season.
Nar we definitely would've shifted him cause we thought he was shit and the club is shit and the player we replaced with with was doubly shit. There can be no other explanation.
 

84 Baby

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Nar we definitely would've shifted him cause we thought he was shit and the club is shit and the player we replaced with with was doubly shit. There can be no other explanation.
You forgot that we were also infecting him with our shitness virus so that even if he stayed he would never of become the superstar he is now but we still should of kept him when he was shit so that we could lament over all the other superstars who changed teams, or didn’t even change teams, or weren’t even off contract, who weren’t actively pursued by our shit club evidenced by the fact they didn’t sign for our shit club.
 

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