Rumours and Stuff

[The Eel]

Maybe the club have chosen to extend for only 12 months so a new coach for 2023 can bring in their own assistance without having to cop payouts for Murphy and Kidwell.

That is what I am hoping. If they do not appoint 3 new coaches for 2023, I will hand my two memberships in that I have had since 86

 

[The Eel]

So as it stands today,
- the club just re-signed… yes re-signed the two imbeciles who masquerade as assistant coaches
- we still have BA as coach for 22
- we haven’t signed any additional top 17 players for 22
- and the club expects all of us members to continue to part with our hard earned money for next year.
Did I miss anything?

No you didn't. You are spot on. I have been a member since 86 with 2 memberships. I will walk if the ³ current coaches get extended for 2023

 

[84 Baby]

I reckon Bushy would stay if they offered him 75K per year...(that's the same amount he would earn as his real profession a forklift driver)

So you’re an expert on how much forklift drivers earn?

 

[Glenneel]

I'm not comparing those coaches with Arthur, I'm comparing their club's current position with their position either before they joined (Bennett and Cleary) or even their position last year (Hasler). I also compared Cleary's position at his previous club. You're claiming it's all about the coach, as if he's responsible for everything, like it was up until the nineties. What I'm saying is that it's not the coach, it's the club, and everything that goes into making an NRL team successful.

Souths didn't go from the basement to premiers because they signed Maguire. They could've had anyone as coach and eventually won a comp because they got a massive injection of funds when they were privately acquired. They hired Seibold and went just as well as the following three years under Bennett ffs.

The Panthers didn't become contenders because they brought Cleary back, they used money from the massively wealthy Panthers Group to hire all the people required to build their junior 'development' (poaching) system. Manly have also tipped huge amounts of money into this area, thanks to being owned by a rich family happy to incinerate endless amounts of cash, free of the need to run a financially viable leagues club.

You think I'm defending Arthur, because all you can see is that he's the scapegoat, and you want him gone. You think that's going to fix everything. My point is it doesn't matter whether we replace Arthur or his assistants. We will remain behind the top sides until we are spending as much on football operations as them, from junior recruitment to NRL coaching. And when we do we will be able to afford a better head coach. Until then it's a waste of money to pay him not to work.

Isn't there a cap on spending for coaches, assistants, support staff, etc so all clubs have same budget? Maybe those successful clubs are rorting the system.

 

[Tooooks]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/th...ur-is-safe-for-next-year-20210827-p58mjp.html
Kidwell and Murphy just got resigned for 2022 look like BA is safe for another year. I can't believe this club sometimes. Seriously, we were touted as a top 4 team and they couldn't even deliver that.

That’s the most depressing news I’ve heard about our club this year. I could accept BA staying if we made changes to his assistants, but this mediocre set up will just continue getting us mediocre results.

Edit: I should clarify, as mediocre is probably the wrong word. I believe we have 6th best roster, so there’s no shame in coming 6th. What concerns me is the late season fade outs, the embarrassing score line blowouts, the same deficiencies in attack and defence, and the perceived inability of our coaching staff to fix any of these issues.

 

[parra pete]

That is what I am hoping. If they do not appoint 3 new coaches for 2023, I will hand my two memberships in that I have had since 86

Gee, that will make them think about it....and you will hafta find something else to whinge about...DON'T DO IT....

 

[TheRam]

How do they upgrade the coaching staff without increasing the budget? Those two could be the best we can get for their salaries.

I posted this to you in another thread, but here will do too.

The budget is $5m merkin. Stop making out like we are so way behind the top sides.

What so we can't and don't spend the $5m like they do, is that what you are saying?

If that is what you are on about, show us. Prove it, don't just constantly crap on that we are an inferior club to them and can never compete. I tend to think it is very similar to the salary cap for the players. Some clubs manage their roster well, and others like the Tigers suck at it, but all clubs have the same amount to spend. Sure there is the sombrero talk, but unless it is proven, then it is just talk. There are some players that have great sponsorships sure, but that is more the elite players now and well since we haven't produced one or signed one for ages, well that is on us.

Our club sells itself. If we can't get the best involved and eager to be part of such a stellar football enterprise like us then there is something massively wrong with the top brass of our club. Which other club in the NRL besides the Broncos, Storm, and soon the Roosters(the new stadium), have all the assets and bits and pieces that go to making a great club like us? Also do I need to remind you again that we are the number one watched sporting team of any code on television. Sponsors should be tripping over themselves to get a piece of our pie.

So go on prove it!

 

[TheRam]

Just read the news. Unbelievable!!!

Oh well, more of the same for next year. Seriously this club needs to find a ruthless streak and start building a winning mentality.

Not wrong. As if Uncle Nick would put up with this shit.

 

[TheRam]

Maybe the club have chosen to extend for only 12 months so a new coach for 2023 can bring in their own assistance without having to cop payouts for Murphy and Kidwell.

Or maybe they have no idea.

 

[TheRam]

That might make sense and I hope it's the case.

No it doesn't.

There are ample assistant coaches who are unemployed that would jump at the chance to get a gig right now. Just off the top of my head, Dean Pay's name comes to mind. As if he wouldn't be a better defensive coach than the clown we have doing the job right now? I'm sure if we gave Pay a one year contract with a 2nd year in the clubs favour he would still take it. But hey, there aren't any quality coaches available. OK, sure.

 

[TheRam]

I'm not comparing those coaches with Arthur, I'm comparing their club's current position with their position either before they joined (Bennett and Cleary) or even their position last year (Hasler). I also compared Cleary's position at his previous club. You're claiming it's all about the coach, as if he's responsible for everything, like it was up until the nineties. What I'm saying is that it's not the coach, it's the club, and everything that goes into making an NRL team successful.

Souths didn't go from the basement to premiers because they signed Maguire. They could've had anyone as coach and eventually won a comp because they got a massive injection of funds when they were privately acquired. They hired Seibold and went just as well as the following three years under Bennett ffs.

The Panthers didn't become contenders because they brought Cleary back, they used money from the massively wealthy Panthers Group to hire all the people required to build their junior 'development' (poaching) system. Manly have also tipped huge amounts of money into this area, thanks to being owned by a rich family happy to incinerate endless amounts of cash, free of the need to run a financially viable leagues club.

You think I'm defending Arthur, because all you can see is that he's the scapegoat, and you want him gone. You think that's going to fix everything. My point is it doesn't matter whether we replace Arthur or his assistants. We will remain behind the top sides until we are spending as much on football operations as them, from junior recruitment to NRL coaching. And when we do we will be able to afford a better head coach. Until then it's a waste of money to pay him not to work.

What the f**k are you talking about? There are way to many false hoods in this post for me to be bothered responding to so I'll pick an easy one the Pen's of Manly.

It is well documented that they have put in their own millions to save the club. But it is also well documented that they are sick of it and that it is a massive sink hole that is eating up so much of their wealth and as such they have for a while now been very tight on putting in their own cash anymore. I think from memory they now put in around a million a year, hardly a huge figure from a football perspective.

Also Barrett famously whinged about the lack of resource that were afforded to him and the football department as a whole which made it very hard to run things the way he would have liked. So to suggest that Manly are way better placed then us financially, well you are delusional. They just have better talent scouts then us and know that power and speed are essential in our game. It goes all the way back to the 70's teams that they had. Always powerful, aggressive and super fast. They recruit well. We on the other hand have diamonds sitting in our backyard that we just walk over and instead go pick the mushrooms instead and allow the Manly's of this world to pick up those diamonds instead.

Again, how much money do you think that Manly put into their football department? I bet it isn't as much as you think. The Pen's can't and won't spend the millions that it would take every year and see no return on investment. Even Russell Crow after 2 or 3 years back when he first took over the reins of the Rabbitohs made that public declaration and appeal to all Souths supporters stating that he isn't a money tree or has bottomless pockets and that if they want to exist and be successful then all the Souths faithful need to become members and contribute or else.

Again, so where is the massive money if there is coming from and again you think we can't compete with the likes of these two? They are just smarter then us and hire the better people in the football department that make the difference. Like coaches and recruiters for example.

Also as examples, how come we never once heard Inglis's name attached to us as a possible destination when he was looking to change clubs or L. Mitchell's? Remember he reportedly signed with Souths for $400k less then what the Tigers were offering. The point is we are rarely ever in the mix as a serious contender for any of the true stars of the game like the Roosters or Bunnies or Bulldogs(now that they have their shit together again). Why not? If they can fit them in under the salary cap, then why not us? What is holding us back? Not cash. So what is it? Our top brass need to wake up and smell the coffee. The main purpose of the leagues Club and their jobs for that matter is to make sure that the football club is winning and winning Premierships. If they can't do it with a club as powerful and well resourced as ours from top to bottom and it is all to much for them, then they need to step aside and allow others who can.

 

[Noise]

That is what I am hoping. If they do not appoint 3 new coaches for 2023, I will hand my two memberships in that I have had since 86

Mine will not be renewed for 2022.

 

[TheRam]

You’re misrepresenting what I’m saying. Neither I, nor any other fan has claimed that changing the coach is going to “fix everything”. What most of the fans who are being critical can see is that the current coach has had more than enough opportunities to take this club to the top and it seems unlikely that we are going to improve if things stay the same. If we change the coach we may improve or we may not but at least improvement would then be a possibility which is seems apparent it is not under the current setup.

I also reject your narrative about us being some kind of minnow compared to all the rich clubs. There’s no reason why we shouldn’t be a powerhouse of the NRL. We are the most watched team on television, have more members than any other club and have a junior nursery which is the envy of most NRL clubs. Generally speaking NRL clubs that are struggling don’t have the funds to cheat the salary cap. If we are struggling in relation to resources then it is almost certainly because of the leaderships inability to manage them and not because of a lack of them.

You also gave examples of the Panthers, Roosters and Sea Eagles who have all made finals and not made finals during the time of having all those resources. That’s exactly my point. Sometimes you have a poor season and sometimes you have a good season. The question is whether you are heading in the right direction or whether you need to change things. All of those clubs made changes when they realised they were not going to improve unless something was done i.e replacing Macguire (despite winning a premiership a few years earlier), replacing Griffin, replacing Barrett. Lo and behold they’re all in better positions than they were after making the change. They didn’t make excuses for their slide into mediocrity but took action to try and fix it.

Great post mate. Keep it up.

 

[TheRam]

Except clubs have also not changed the coach and still improved:
Roosters won six games in 2016 and kept the coach, who turned it around.
Raiders missed the finals in 2017 and 2018 and kept the coach, who turned it around.
Eels won six games in 2018 and kept the coach, who turned it around.
Manly were bottom four last year (7 wins) but kept Hasler. Look at them now.

Teams have also sacked the coach and not improved:
The Bulldogs missed the finals in 2017 and sacked Hasler, and they've been in freefall ever since.
The Cowboys missed the finals in 2018 and 2019 and sacked Green, and they haven't improved under Payten.

I also never called us minnows. We are a good club, just not as strong as some others. The PLC only managed to remain profitable last year by cutting their grant to us by 40%

Terrible post mate. Stop it!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I posted this to you in another thread, but here will do too.

The budget is $5m merkin. Stop making out like we are so way behind the top sides.

What so we can't and don't spend the $5m like they do, is that what you are saying?

If that is what you are on about, show us. Prove it, don't just constantly crap on that we are an inferior club to them and can never compete. I tend to think it is very similar to the salary cap for the players. Some clubs manage their roster well, and others like the Tigers suck at it, but all clubs have the same amount to spend. Sure there is the sombrero talk, but unless it is proven, then it is just talk. There are some players that have great sponsorships sure, but that is more the elite players now and well since we haven't produced one or signed one for ages, well that is on us.

Our club sells itself. If we can't get the best involved and eager to be part of such a stellar football enterprise like us then there is something massively wrong with the top brass of our club. Which other club in the NRL besides the Broncos, Storm, and soon the Roosters(the new stadium), have all the assets and bits and pieces that go to making a great club like us? Also do I need to remind you again that we are the number one watched sporting team of any code on television. Sponsors should be tripping over themselves to get a piece of our pie.

So go on prove it!

I've already provided links to articles that report the salaries of the head coaches (correctly or not). It's media reporting so it might not be true, but it's more evidence than your claim they all get paid the same amount. There were also a number of articles with quotes about Eels football staff taking pay cuts or getting rissoled during Covid last year. I don't remember any such articles about Souths or Melbourne coaches taking a pay cut. Finally, I posted recently a link to an article comparing the financial backing of each Sydney club. Privately owned clubs were tipped to fare much better during the pandemic. But just comparing the Eels and Panthers, both leagues club backed, their group is worth nearly three times the PLC, and was seven times as profitable last year. This is how they can afford a better junior talent identification and recruitment system than ours. It's also why their facilities are much better.

 

[The Eel]

Gee, that will make them think about it....and you will hafta find something else to whinge about...DON'T DO IT....

The thing is, I am disabled. I walk with the aid of a walking frame. Most of our games are at night. I can get dropped off before the game close to my gate, but a taxi cannot get back in after the game to pick me up, meaning that I have quite a walk back to my cab in a laneway in Eels Pl. I figure if we keep playing crap, I have a big screen TV, Foxtel abd cold beers and wine in the frdge. Just sayin. I don't think I will be the only one not renewing

 

[lingard]

No it doesn't.

There are ample assistant coaches who are unemployed that would jump at the chance to get a gig right now. Just off the top of my head, Dean Pay's name comes to mind. As if he wouldn't be a better defensive coach than the clown we have doing the job right now? I'm sure if we gave Pay a one year contract with a 2nd year in the clubs favour he would still take it. But hey, there aren't any quality coaches available. OK, sure.

Fair enough. I always had big wraps on Dean Pay, too. I was just trying to look for any possible logical reason why the club re-signed these two underperformed, that's all. Grasping at straws.

 

[84 Baby]

Gee, that will make them think about it....and you will hafta find something else to whinge about...DON'T DO IT....

Said the person who had a cry when they got rid of Anderson and went and supported another club

 

[King-Gutho94]

No it doesn't.

There are ample assistant coaches who are unemployed that would jump at the chance to get a gig right now. Just off the top of my head, Dean Pay's name comes to mind. As if he wouldn't be a better defensive coach than the clown we have doing the job right now? I'm sure if we gave Pay a one year contract with a 2nd year in the clubs favour he would still take it. But hey, there aren't any quality coaches available. OK, sure.

I dont think Dean wants to be involved in rugby league anymore after the bulldogs fiasco and the way he got shafted He is quite happy where he is now i believe stress free and out of the limelight

 

[parra pete]

Said the person who had a cry when they got rid of Anderson and went and supported another club

Made em think about it though...and they changed. lol..Got rid of Daniel Anderson for Stephen Kearney...why wouldn't you..but anyhow, I'm back now...aren't you lucky....