Rumours and Stuff

[84 Baby]

But then it seems it's also not possible to keep RCG's output at 500k either ( if that's the number )

Either way, stay or go, the price isn't the subsidised price, it's the market price. Whatever that might be.

I’ll agree with hiney there though that that lossed opportunity is something to lament. I hate the talk of overs/unders, that’s something that can only be determined over the life of a contract and not in isolation of the rest of squad, but RCGs contract is quite obviously unders for what he brought

 

[T-Boon]

Stuff: All this NRL media about player movement just makes me sick. It is all great for the grubs of RL like agents and media. We need to fill the off season space with a 7s or 9s like competition between 1. November and 30 January.

 

[hineyrulz]

Pappas will probably replace rcg if we manage to keep him

I thought was much better on an edge for us than he was in the middle.

 

[yy_cheng]

I thought was much better on an edge for us than he was in the middle.

Depends on whether or edge or middle is weaker

 

[hineyrulz]

There you go again but. His output is replaceable. His value is much harder to replace (to the extent that even resigning him doesn’t do that)

Sorry can't help myself

 

[Bandwagon]

I’ll agree with hiney there though that that lossed opportunity is something to lament. I hate the talk of overs/unders, that’s something that can only be determined over the life of a contract and not in isolation of the rest of squad, but RCGs contract is quite obviously unders for what he brought

Only because it was subsidized by him being on "overs" at Riff.

And that's the point, that subsidies gone, so with it goes the ability to pay him "unders".

So the question becomes is he value at circa 700k, 'cause that's his reported earnings, and will he be value at that price moving forward and for how many years?

All I'm saying is that in re-signing or replacing him that 500k isn't the number we're dealing with, it's the 700k he's being paid, and expecting to replace his output at the 500k we've been forking out isn't realistic if you consider having him at that number to be "unders".

 

[hindy111]

Stuff: All this NRL media about play movement just makes me sick. It is all great for the grubs of RL like agents and media. We need to fill the off season space with a 7s or 9s like competition between 1. November and 30 January.

I love hearing the words grubs. It is very underrated

 

[Poupou Escobar]

We had alot of players (some of them elite level) on unders this season like RCG, Waqa Blake and Papali’i so to only make it to week 2 of the finals is incredibly frustrating. We are not going to enjoy those advantages any more.

Why wouldn't we enjoy those advantages any more? It's what the strong clubs all try to do, and it's obviously something we're getting better at.

 

[84 Baby]

Only because it was subsidized by him being on "overs" at Riff.

And that's the point, that subsidies gone, so with it goes the ability to pay him "unders".

So the question becomes is he value at circa 700k, 'cause that's his reported earnings, and will he be value at that price moving forward and for how many years?

All I'm saying is that in re-signing or replacing him that 500k isn't the number we're dealing with, it's the 700k he's being paid, and expecting to replace his output at the 500k we've been forking out isn't realistic if you consider having him at that number to be "unders".

I’m not arguing. I’m just saying it adds to the disappointment of not striking when the iron was hot. You don’t get many opportunities for those subsidies.

 

[T.S Quint]

Stuff: All this NRL media about player movement just makes me sick. It is all great for the grubs of RL like agents and media. We need to fill the off season space with a 7s or 9s like competition between 1. November and 30 January.

Doesn’t matter what’s on during the off-season, you will never stop the reporting and speculation of player movements.
It’s what gets fans fired up, way more than a Nines tournament.

 

[Matty Bhoy]

Inside the player negotiations that have brought Eels to a standstill​

Inside the player negotiations that have brought Eels to a standstill

Should Parramatta pick up the phone to Kalyn Ponga? The time has come for the Eels to take a risk to break their premiership drought or continue getting the same result.

www.smh.com.au

Bit of a nothing article really. I like our current approach of spending across the board. Loading up on Ponga wouldn’t have me dancing in the streets, if I’m being honest.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Will we end up with like for like replacements for RCG and Niukore if we lose them?

You don't need like for like replacements. You just need enough players to improve to offset the ones who decline or leave. We have plenty of young players at various positions who could be at least as good as RCG by 2023. It's a team game, and the team needs to be strong. Any given individual is replaceable.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well RCG wasn’t going great at the panthers before signing with us and Marata was a 20’s players. So if BA did it once, I am pretty sure we can do it again!

Any while RCG is an important player, they aren’t key players especially Marata. They are both very replaceable!

Exactly. Papali'i was also a nobody when he arrived at our club. Getting value out of players is a key part of what we do now.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I reckon we would have 2.6-2.8 million spare. You don't think we will buy anyone?

He was joking, but you're right, the flipside of having a thousand players off contract is you have plenty of cap space to rearrange your roster. We could go from the team with the most expensive pack and the cheapest spine to the team with a reserve grade pack and a solid fullback on $1M per year. It's very exciting.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

And potentially we already have a replacement with Grieg / Kaufusi ……

Very few top middles (including RCG) had played as many games as Kaufusi by his age now. Merkins seem to forget there is a journey from nuffy to star, and we have a bunch of players already well on the way.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You have not mentioned the experience for the blacks (and Native Americans) post slavery.

Since you're so hell bent on dividing people into groups, why not compare the fate of people descended from African slaves to the fate of people whose African ancestors were never slaves. It's not just about whether you're black or white.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Critical Race Theory is a good thing and should be taught in all schools. Not a sanitised, approved by white people version. Correct ?

What sort of race theory do you think is taught in schools in countries with f**k all white people?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You said RCG was easily replaceable lol. Now you say I never said it was easy maybe you need to go back and read what you wrote lol.



And where did I say Kaufusi isn’t going to improve, but to say he will get to RCG’s level??? Laughable IMO, especially with his worrying trend of head knocks.

The point is he doesn't need to get t RCG's level. The team needs to improve, which can happen even while our awesome pack gets worse. I would argue the Panthers don't have any props as good as RCG, and they didn't get any worse when he left.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

He’s very replaceable apparently, no big deal.

The Panthers lost RCG a couple of years ago and then lost Tamou last year. The players they kept had done f**k all compared to those two, but they backed them to improve. That's how you build a club. You let them go a year too soon rather than a year too late. 2021 RCG might be hard to replace but 2023 RCG could turn out to be a player we wished we'd never kept. It's like you think players never get any better or worse each year.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

We need a scalp in re-signing someone.

Not saying to do it at all costs but would certainly help atm it is just constant speculation going around circles with what player will be mentioned in the media today about contracts.

I dont agree that you need to paying someone a million dollars a year for the sake of it.

The quicker we re-sign some merkin, the more likely it is we overpaid for him. You need to have patience. We have a lot of cap space available for 2023, but we don't want to waste it all paying more than we have to for talent.