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Eelementary

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They don't rate Naiduki or Komolafe is what a signing like this tells me......

Naiduki, and Komolafe, are a long way off First Grade - but they're young.

Jason Paulo is young, too - but has First Grade experience under his belt.

Mind you - if we were looking to sign a player to tide us over until our troops regain fitness, I thought an older player would have been a wiser choice, to not potentially block the pathway for Naiduki, and Komolafe - unless they're not in our future plans...

Who really knows?
 

hindy111

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Naiduki, and Komolafe, are a long way off First Grade - but they're young.

Jason Paulo is young, too - but has First Grade experience under his belt.

Mind you - if we were looking to sign a player to tide us over until our troops regain fitness, I thought an older player would have been a wiser choice, to not potentially block the pathway for Naiduki, and Komolafe - unless they're not in our future plans...

Who really knows?

I think Naiduki is 21??
Komolafe looks slow to take off and doesn't have high speed.
Anyhows with Simmonson,Blake,Russel,Dunster all in the books I don't see how he helps us.
Blake,Sivo,Russel will all be fit within a few weeks to
 

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One player that I feel would be a handy pick up is Morgan Harper. Seems on the nose. Talented player and enough to work with.
With backs you have to have a good base. Speed, footwork, power and acceleration to be any good along with game awareness and safety which is an area you can work on. For me he ticks all those boxes bar game awareness.
When I have seen Komolafe and Naiduki I don't feel they tick many. And to make it if you dont tick most then you need to be exceptional in a few of those areas, kind of like Sivo who has ridiculous power.

Compare it to Russel,Simmons,Haze who all lack power but have the other 3 areas covered. Its a better base and none of them are exactly weak like say Bevan French so its just one area that they can work on and try and get that extra 5-10% to make them good NRL players.

Blake and Penisini are another level currently cause they pretty much tick every single box so the ceiling is very high.

Gutherson lacks speed, acceleration and power. As a fullback he makes up for it in other areas but he would never cut it playing centre or wing. I genuinely feel by 2024 he will slide out of the top 10 fullbacks in the game. There are just too many young , talented and explosive fullbacks coming thru.

Right now Papenhauzen,Teddy,Turbo, Ponga are superior. As over rated as Ponga may seem is in a shit side. Opposition have no other spine players to worry about.

Edwards and Latrell are debatable better players. Its close.

Then you have young guns bursting thru and all in the way up.

Daine Lauire,Walsh,Cobbo and Nui from Brisbane,
Tyrell Sloan. And let's not forget Manu at the Roosters who will eventually land there.
 

TheRam

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Who I think our next NRL coach should be.

What I would do if and when BA fails to win us a Premiership at the end of this season is go and try and convince Tim Sheens to be our next coach for two seasons. Hand him the keys to this Ferrari and tell him we are all in with whatever he needs. But I would also ask him if he would take Cameron Ciraldo as his understudy just like Wayne Bennett had Jason Demetriou at Souths.

I think that Ciraldo would go for it knowing that he would be guaranteed the NRL job at the end of it and the opportunity to be mentored by someone else that is also a great premiership coach that knows more about the game then almost anyone else at present and that it would round off his coaching apprenticeship just perfectly before he stepped into the big shoes.

Then also after the two seasons that Sheens has been coach I would tell Sheens that we have a Director of Junior Football job waiting for him that he can step right into. He is brilliant at setting up a club at all the lower levels and junior development and identification, but without all the fan fair and nonsense that Gus offers with it. I would offer him a 3 year contract with a 2 year club option. Also he and Mark O'Neill are old mates and I believe would probably work well together. I think that if we did it right we would have a good chance to get both and have a very strong coaching brains trust that could take us to the next level.

Also I think we should recommend to both Sheens and Ciraldo that if they like and agreed we take Trent Barrett on board when the Bulldogs spear him as our Attack coach, then we would have the 2 guys that helped Penrith get to play the way they do now. That would be a pretty formidable 3 pronged coaching team wouldn't it? Also if we kept consultants like Michael Ennis and brought others of similar quality on, we would be surrounding the squad with more knowledge and success then this club has had in its coaching ranks for quite a while.

If we couldn't convince Sheens to leave the Tigers(it would be very disappointing if we we couldn't) then I would offer Ciraldo the head coaching job straight away and and ask him if he wants Barrett when he is available. But for our current team I feel Sheens would give us a slightly better chance of nailing a premiership due to his formidable knowledge and experience. Not saying Ciraldo couldn't get us there though, just that Sheens has that experience and won't make any rookie mistakes that no matter how good a young coach is will invariably they make because of that lack of NRL experience. It takes a few seasons for all coaches to get it bedded down more or less.

Anyway that is what I would do and I think if anything like that were to happen we would be in brilliant hands for the next 5-10 years and be a very attractive club to come to. However this is all pie in the sky stuff and I can't see our club having this kind of forward thinking. I think they will ride out BA's contract and then react and hope there is someone of quality to appoint, but by then I think Ciraldo will be at the Dogs and they wouldn't dream of Sheens being part of this club, even though in my opinion he is probably the best coach that isn't coaching at present, with more experience then almost anyone in the game and knows how to win premierships and a great judge of footballers.

He is a man manager and knows what footballers want and need to get them playing to the best of their abilities. All he needs is the cattle and boy do we have the cattle for him right now. They just need someone of his quality and experience to get them to the finished product before it is to late.
 

Eelementary

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One player that I feel would be a handy pick up is Morgan Harper. Seems on the nose. Talented player and enough to work with.
With backs you have to have a good base. Speed, footwork, power and acceleration to be any good along with game awareness and safety which is an area you can work on. For me he ticks all those boxes bar game awareness.
When I have seen Komolafe and Naiduki I don't feel they tick many. And to make it if you dont tick most then you need to be exceptional in a few of those areas, kind of like Sivo who has ridiculous power.

Compare it to Russel,Simmons,Haze who all lack power but have the other 3 areas covered. Its a better base and none of them are exactly weak like say Bevan French so its just one area that they can work on and try and get that extra 5-10% to make them good NRL players.

Blake and Penisini are another level currently cause they pretty much tick every single box so the ceiling is very high.

Gutherson lacks speed, acceleration and power. As a fullback he makes up for it in other areas but he would never cut it playing centre or wing. I genuinely feel by 2024 he will slide out of the top 10 fullbacks in the game. There are just too many young , talented and explosive fullbacks coming thru.

Right now Papenhauzen,Teddy,Turbo, Ponga are superior. As over rated as Ponga may seem is in a shit side. Opposition have no other spine players to worry about.

Edwards and Latrell are debatable better players. Its close.

Then you have young guns bursting thru and all in the way up.

Daine Lauire,Walsh,Cobbo and Nui from Brisbane,
Tyrell Sloan. And let's not forget Manu at the Roosters who will eventually land there.

Good points.

But I can't say I agree that Gutherson lacks speed, or power.

He just doesn't have the explosive speed, or power, that is noticeable by fans.

He breaks plenty of tackles, and has scored plenty of long-range tries.

He's more of a jack of all trades - average at everything (except defence, and skill, where I would rate him as number 1), but doesn't excel at any one thing.
 

hindy111

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Who I think our next NRL coach should be.

What I would do if and when BA fails to win us a Premiership at the end of this season is go and try and convince Tim Sheens to be our next coach for two seasons. Hand him the keys to this Ferrari and tell him we are all in with whatever he needs. But I would also ask him if he would take Cameron Ciraldo as his understudy just like Wayne Bennett had Jason Demetriou at Souths.

I think that Ciraldo would go for it knowing that he would be guaranteed the NRL job at the end of it and the opportunity to be mentored by someone else that is also a great premiership coach that knows more about the game then almost anyone else at present and that it would round off his coaching apprenticeship just perfectly before he stepped into the big shoes.

Then also after the two seasons that Sheens has been coach I would tell Sheens that we have a Director of Junior Football job waiting for him that he can step right into. He is brilliant at setting up a club at all the lower levels and junior development and identification, but without all the fan fair and nonsense that Gus offers with it. I would offer him a 3 year contract with a 2 year club option. Also he and Mark O'Neill are old mates and I believe would probably work well together. I think that if we did it right we would have a good chance to get both and have a very strong coaching brains trust that could take us to the next level.

Also I think we should recommend to both Sheens and Ciraldo that if they like and agreed we take Trent Barrett on board when the Bulldogs spear him as our Attack coach, then we would have the 2 guys that helped Penrith get to play the way they do now. That would be a pretty formidable 3 pronged coaching team wouldn't it? Also if we kept consultants like Michael Ennis and brought others of similar quality on, we would be surrounding the squad with more knowledge and success then this club has had in its coaching ranks for quite a while.

If we couldn't convince Sheens to leave the Tigers(it would be very disappointing if we we couldn't) then I would offer Ciraldo the head coaching job straight away and and ask him if he wants Barrett when he is available. But for our current team I feel Sheens would give us a slightly better chance of nailing a premiership due to his formidable knowledge and experience. Not saying Ciraldo couldn't get us there though, just that Sheens has that experience and won't make any rookie mistakes that no matter how good a young coach is will invariably they make because of that lack of NRL experience. It takes a few seasons for all coaches to get it bedded down more or less.

Anyway that is what I would do and I think if anything like that were to happen we would be in brilliant hands for the next 5-10 years and be a very attractive club to come to. However this is all pie in the sky stuff and I can't see our club having this kind of forward thinking. I think they will ride out BA's contract and then react and hope there is someone of quality to appoint, but by then I think Ciraldo will be at the Dogs and they wouldn't dream of Sheens being part of this club, even though in my opinion he is probably the best coach that isn't coaching at present, with more experience then almost anyone in the game and knows how to win premierships and a great judge of footballers.

He is a man manager and knows what footballers want and need to get them playing to the best of their abilities. All he needs is the cattle and boy do we have the cattle for him right now. They just need someone of his quality and experience to get them to the finished product before it is to late.


Absolutely love this.
 

hindy111

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Good points.

But I can't say I agree that Gutherson lacks speed, or power.

He just doesn't have the explosive speed, or power, that is noticeable by fans.

He breaks plenty of tackles, and has scored plenty of long-range tries.

He's more of a jack of all trades - average at everything (except defence, and skill, where I would rate him as number 1), but doesn't excel at any one thing.

For a brief period he was no 3 fullback in the game I feel.
Where he is now? I'd say between 6-8. Do I see these young kids over taking him by 2024? Not all will but Yes I do feel atleast a few of them will.
 

Eelementary

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For a brief period he was no 3 fullback in the game I feel.
Where he is now? I'd say between 6-8. Do I see these young kids over taking him by 2024? Not all will but Yes I do feel atleast a few of them will.

His attack has regressed a bit lately, that's true.
 

TheRam

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One player that I feel would be a handy pick up is Morgan Harper. Seems on the nose. Talented player and enough to work with.
With backs you have to have a good base. Speed, footwork, power and acceleration to be any good along with game awareness and safety which is an area you can work on. For me he ticks all those boxes bar game awareness.
When I have seen Komolafe and Naiduki I don't feel they tick many. And to make it if you dont tick most then you need to be exceptional in a few of those areas, kind of like Sivo who has ridiculous power.

Compare it to Russel,Simmons,Haze who all lack power but have the other 3 areas covered. Its a better base and none of them are exactly weak like say Bevan French so its just one area that they can work on and try and get that extra 5-10% to make them good NRL players.

Blake and Penisini are another level currently cause they pretty much tick every single box so the ceiling is very high.

Gutherson lacks speed, acceleration and power. As a fullback he makes up for it in other areas but he would never cut it playing centre or wing. I genuinely feel by 2024 he will slide out of the top 10 fullbacks in the game. There are just too many young , talented and explosive fullbacks coming thru.

Right now Papenhauzen,Teddy,Turbo, Ponga are superior. As over rated as Ponga may seem is in a shit side. Opposition have no other spine players to worry about.

Edwards and Latrell are debatable better players. Its close.

Then you have young guns bursting thru and all in the way up.

Daine Lauire,Walsh,Cobbo and Nui from Brisbane,
Tyrell Sloan. And let's not forget Manu at the Roosters who will eventually land there.

If the Knights had Jackson Hastings they would be a top 8 team at the very least. That is the missing ingredient that that club and in fact a few others too are missing. A quality organising and running half that they can all get behind and play their best football. If I were the Knights he would be at the top of my list. Without a player of his quality, they will be a yo yo team and play like busted at times like against us.

In fact if I had the option of Hastings or Munster, I would go for Hastings every time. It is much easier to find a decent running 5/8th then a high quality organising/running/kicking experienced half back. Someone like Drinkwater would be a great 5/8th next to Hastings for example.

If I were the Dolphins I would go Hastings, Drinkwater and Walsh and save a couple of hundred thousand doing so. The advantage to this is obvious on two fronts besides not having to pay Munster $1.2-$1.4m.

1. Hastings is an organiser and Munster isn't so will struggle without a real quality one next to him. So will Munster be putting in or be able to do what he normally can each and every week knowing that he is in a team that is just average and will be up and down for a few seasons at least? Or will he start having Ponga style games, sometimes hot, sometimes not? Remember he hasn't always been the most focused player ever, even under Bellamy.

2. Hastings has proven both here and overseas he can play with an average roster around him(because he is an exceptional organiser) and lifts them to play their best football and they love knowing that he will deliver at least a competitive outcome in each game. He is the sort of half that will make you a playoff team even with a roster that has a few short comings. He is a breath of fresh air actually. I love watching him. Smart and can execute.

Also a special mention to Adam Reynolds, he has started to take on the line now at the Broncos, something he almost never chose to do at the Bunny's and is a much better player for it. He needs to keep it up and he will push the Broncos into the top 8 this year if he does.

Quality halves, as rare as Pou not defending a plodder.
 
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Eelctrifying

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Is JA going to get good? Like does he need more reps or is he gona be a mid tier half we can't build off and never win a Premship
 

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Is JA going to get good? Like does he need more reps or is he gona be a mid tier half we can't build off and never win a Premship
Eels signed Dantoray Lui end of last year, so unsure why you have concluded that we see Jake as anything other than backup and useful right now. We also have Ethan Sanders in Flegg who is playing a couple of years up.


 

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In fact if I had the option of Hastings or Munster, I would go for Hastings every time. It is much easier to find a decent running 5/8th then a high quality organising/running/kicking experienced half back. Someone like Drinkwater would be a great 5/8th next to Hastings for example.
With respect, these are the words of a raving lunatic.
I know Hastings had a good game recently against someone (maybe us?) and possibly he has been good in other games since....
But FFS.
 

T-Boon

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Eels signed Dantoray Lui end of last year, so unsure why you have concluded that we see Jake as anything other than backup and useful right now. We also have Ethan Sanders in Flegg who is playing a couple of years up.
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For real? Jake is in the starting team now (ridiculously) even though he is younger than Lui and even though Lui is way better in lower grades. Jake has basically for some reason (his dad) bi-passed lower grades.
Lui isnt even in the squad. He is being made to earn it in lower grades the way it is supposed to be done when nepotism is not involved.
Jake's dad sees him as the future for sure. He is going to just make sure of it.
 

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For real? Jake is in the starting team now (ridiculously) even though he is younger than Lui and even though Lui is way better in lower grades. Jake has basically for some reason (his dad) bi-passed lower grades.
Lui isnt even in the squad. He is being made to earn it in lower grades the way it is supposed to be done when nepotism is not involved.
Jake's dad sees him as the future for sure. He is going to just make sure of it.
Well done, you should get at least 5 likes for that post.
 

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