Rumours and Stuff

[84 Baby]

His performance or the team's performance?

Which person's performance has it's main KPI being how well they make the team perform?

Remember, the Eels under Stuart were a lot worse than any other team he has coached, including the Raiders most recently. So was he a shit coach at the Eels or did he have a shit squad? And if it was a shit squad whose fault was it? Previous coaches had a lot to do with it but even more crucial were all those years a coach was on his way out and unable to recruit effectively - 2012, 2010, 2008, 2006. In each of these years we had to pay overs because we looked unstable and all the value buys were snapped up before the incoming coach got there.

So Stuart gets to blame the coach before him? Remind me who that was

On top of that we had Hayne on the books but not playing every week. And as we found out this year, he isn't the type of bloke to do us any favours.

So Kearney also gets to blame one of his players for being overpaid and injured?

 

[84 Baby]

Is this the first media article to have a dig at tweedle dee and tweedle dum? ... maybe Grant has copped a bit, not so much toodles

As much as I dislike them, it really is Slothfield just having a rant. Probably on behalf of a mate

 

[El Diablo]

Run run as fast as you can
You cant catch me i'm hindy111

he'll be stalking Gus so he won't be too hard to find

 

[Dibs]

He's on the podium.

Add grant and Greenburg and the podium is getting a little crowded

 

[strider]

As much as I dislike them, it really is Slothfield just having a rant. Probably on behalf of a mate

Yeah but toddles has been pretty imune to media criticism so far

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Which person's performance has it's main KPI being how well they make the team perform?

You must have missed recent comments from the new management about how on-field results are no longer goals by which the coach will be judged.

So Stuart gets to blame the coach before him? Remind me who that was

If Stuart can blame Kearney and Anderson (and Furner when he got to Canberra) then Kearney's time at Parramatta was tainted by the series of shot duck coaches that preceded him. I'm sure you're part of the crew that makes excuses for Brad Arthur missing the finals in his first two seasons.

So Kearney also gets to blame one of his players for being overpaid and injured?

Not just Kearney, but Stuart too. Even Arthur was stuck with Hayne in 2014.

 

[hineyrulz]

Yeah but toddles has been pretty imune to media criticism so far

Especially when you compare it to the torrent of shit Dave Smith copped on a daily basis.

 

[84 Baby]

You must have missed recent comments from the new management about how on-field results are no longer goals by which the coach will be judged.

I did miss them, but I'm certain that Arthur best be meeting all those goals if we don't make finals next year. He may not want to payout people from contracts, but at some point Maxy will see a correlation between on-field performance and revenue

If Stuart can blame Kearney and Anderson (and Furner when he got to Canberra) then Kearney's time at Parramatta was tainted by the series of shot duck coaches that preceded him. I'm sure you're part of the crew that makes excuses for Brad Arthur missing the finals in his first two seasons.

Na I reckon 2014 was a disappointment. The team and through them we can assume Arthur performed averagely well for most of the season until it came to crunch time and they very very badly under performed. Still they and Arthur did better than 2013, so if coaches get to blame their predecessors for performing badly, what can we extrapolate from that when they outperform them?

Not just Kearney, but Stuart too. Even Arthur was stuck with Hayne in 2014.

Think you're forgetting my original question, at what point do coaches get to stop blaming others?

 

[84 Baby]

Yeah but toddles has been pretty imune to media criticism so far

To be fair the media has been a little distracted and without Rebecca Wilson. They're just reheating up to lampooning everything rugby league

 

[84 Baby]

I did miss them, but I'm certain that Arthur best be meeting all those goals if we don't make finals next year. He may not want to payout people from contracts, but at some point Maxy will see a correlation between on-field performance and revenue

And I might add a further correlation to workload (although that is probably felt more by Bernster), and who wants to do more work

 

[parra-matters]

Yeah but toddles has been pretty imune to media criticism so far

of coarse he has, who do you think would be feeding the media the leaks from NRL HQ and in return he doesn't get much negative written about him.

 

[Gronk]

Hearing @hindy111 and Gus are announcing their engagement today.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I did miss them, but I'm certain that Arthur best be meeting all those goals if we don't make finals next year. He may not want to payout people from contracts, but at some point Maxy will see a correlation between on-field performance and revenue

Onfield performance is related to how much of your salary cap is available to play each week. That's largely out of the coach's hands. You should pay attention to what administrators, managers and coaches say, rather than just the stuff that supports your biases.

Na I reckon 2014 was a disappointment. The team and through them we can assume Arthur performed averagely well for most of the season until it came to crunch time and they very very badly under performed. Still they and Arthur did better than 2013, so if coaches get to blame their predecessors for performing badly, what can we extrapolate from that when they outperform them?

By your logic Stuart outperformed Arthur this year.

Think you're forgetting my original question, at what point do coaches get to stop blaming others?

When they get the team they want is a good start. That never happens by the second season. But coaches at weak clubs need to take risks to catch up to the pack, and if one big move backfires it can hurt the team for four years, as it did with us. I guarantee Kearney won't be signing Chris Sandow to the Warriors. In fact he's already signed the best defensive half (and fairly cheaply it seems) to shore up one side of his defence. All they can do is learn from their mistakes, but the salary cap makes it difficult to fix those mistakes quickly.

 

[Soren Lorenson]

In fact he's already signed the best defensive half (and fairly cheaply it seems) to shore up one side of his defence.

*Had the best defensive half delivered to him on a plate

 

[hineyrulz]

of coarse he has, who do you think would be feeding the media the leaks from NRL HQ and in return he doesn't get much negative written about him.

Well News limited did help get Toddles the job.

 

[The Colonel]

Wish you pricks would stop bumping old threads....

 

[Poupou Escobar]

*Had the best defensive half delivered to him on a plate

Maybe his luck has turned

 

[84 Baby]

Onfield performance is related to how much of your salary cap is available to play each week.

Oh ok so the team that has the most salary cap on the field performs the best each week regardless of who is coaching them

That's largely out of the coach's hands. You should pay attention to what administrators, managers and coaches say, rather than just the stuff that supports your biases.

Or do we now have to sack everyone involved with the team's onfield performance at what ever stage that is when we can stop blaming the people who came before them? Or are you under the impression that onfield performance is superfluous to running a business that is primarily a first grade rugby league team?

By your logic Stuart outperformed Arthur this year.

No by my logic, using the "fact" that coaches are allowed to blame their predecessors for performance and being lumped with the squad from another former coach (because apparently you get 2 seasons to blame the other guy), 2014 Arthur outperformed 2013 Stuart AND 2012 Kearney. From that we can extrapolate that Arthur is a better coach. If memory serves me correct Arthur has never coached Canberra so this years performances don't really mean anything, but we could assume that Canberra may have possibly ended up with an even better season if Arthur was their coach.

When they get the team they want is a good start. That never happens by the second season. But coaches at weak clubs need to take risks to catch up to the pack, and if one big move backfires it can hurt the team for four years, as it did with us. I guarantee Kearney won't be signing Chris Sandow to the Warriors. In fact he's already signed the best defensive half (and fairly cheaply it seems) to shore up one side of his defence. All they can do is learn from their mistakes, but the salary cap makes it difficult to fix those mistakes quickly.

Ok 2 seasons then? Well that's too bad that Kearney didn't even last that with us, we can only dream of the heights he would have taken us to in 2013. That said I guess we don't have to worry about the Warriors for at least the next 2 seasons until they rid themselves of McFaddenitis

 

[Soren Lorenson]

Ricky has had better results with returned Mormons.

 

[hindy111]

I am worried we came back to training a week early tbh.If i was coach i would of resumed training today during the super moon.
If we run out of steam in the last few rounds we can put it down to this.