Rumours and Stuff

[JokerEel]

Meanwhile while the civil war continues on here at Parra LU between warring tribes.

Over the fence at concord things may explode again.

@Tiger5150

What's going on Chairman Lee didn't read the fine print with his extension.

Wait isn't his business the Majority sponsor big issues coming at the tigers!

Its bloody funny that if it wasn't for the backlash in the media he would still be in his position.

The clubs Us in 2010..

 

[yy_cheng]

Not to mention the training for boxing where most of the damage to the head is done too.

Spread the dementia liability when they sue

 

[hindy111]

2024 we have a great forward pack. If you look at it nobody is in decline yet. Jnr still can play rep level. There is no chance he plays as poor as he did this season. Lane is like a new signing as well.
I also would expect Hopgood, Morreti,Grieg to all improve as it was all their first year in the NRL. JOE O also gets a full off-season. Amd remember RCG missed 10/24 games. Then we can throw Talagi,Betham and I am going to put Mataele in the mix. He needs a big off season but it will be make or break for him. The pack will be 20 - 30% stronger
Halves well I expect Dylan to get into his peak now. Moses is in his peak and Gutherson we will get similar from. Lussick gets a full off season and Hands also should improve. The spine will get slightly stronger I feel. Maybe 10%.

Last is the backs. Penisini and Russel are going to get better. It's impossible to say how much. Sivo if plays hard is still quality. He is excellent under the high ball. Just needs to increase his work rate. The last guy is Simmonson. That's the position we need to upgrade. He makes a great back up.
Ethyn Martin from Flegg is my smoke to push into the side. He looks a good one to me. Blayze Talagi I reckons a few years away still physically.
So for me there is 3 positions we could improve. And only 2 if Sivo pulls his finger out. That's a centre spot and hooker. I just don't feel there is anyone available at 9 to help us right now. A strike centre is where id be throwing my cash if we have any.

 

[Tiger5150]

Take him and his left winger mate then we'll be set

Sorry guys

To'a adds two more years

Wests Tigers is delighted to announce a further contract extension for 23-year-old centre, Starford To’a.

www.weststigers.com.au

 

[Obscene Assassin]

I'm not saying they don't count.

I'm saying that, while we pulled off the odd 8-point win, here and there, they have obliterated us without raising a sweat for the most part.

You used that game as an example of them flogging us, yet the smallest bit of digging you can see we were basically fielding a reserve grade team whilst they were full strength.


You're dismissing 8 point wins against penrith as something every team has done. Since 2020 there would be a small handful of teams who've beaten penrith, if you're looking for a double digit win it'd be even less.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I also forgot Chrichton started on the wing at the Panfers..

He started as a centre but finished the 2021 season on the wing after they shitcanned Staines.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Thats what is frustrating we know when we play our best we can beat everyone.

Doesn’t it also depend on whether the opposition are also playing their best?

Ivan Cleary also said this in that Panthers doco. He said if they don’t get it right we (Parra) can beat them. But if they do get it right he didn’t think that we could. This is what I’ve been saying to you all along. They have a better team. If they play their best it doesn’t matter how well we play. This is why we haven’t beaten them (or Melbourne) in the finals.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If all the information you have is worthless then you don’t get to just shoe horn it in to support your argument. Ladder positions are not a slam dunk when it comes to the resources available at a clubs disposal.

Over the long term it paints a pretty compelling picture. Merkins whinge about “37 years ffs” and in the same breath shitcan “those running the club”. But there has been a long stream of various merkins running the club since 1986. Maybe they all have been incompetent, but then surely that says something fundamental about the Parramatta Eels. This is why I talk about resources. It includes the people likely to end up making decisions at the club. Politis isn’t going to run for a position on our board. Russell Crowe isn’t going to buy the club. Meanwhile it’s been over 18 months since former Panthers chairman O’Neill (ffs) was arseholed from Penrith. Why hasn’t he applied at Parra?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Right, so it’s rather disingenuous to say that we’ve lacked the resources to win a competition isn’t it?

I didn’t say that. I said we lack the resources to never miss the finals. We have also lacked the resources to reliably win a premiership in any timeframe shorter than 38 years.

 

[the phantom menace]

I didn’t say that. I said we lack the resources to never miss the finals. We have also lacked the resources to reliably win a premiership in any timeframe shorter than 38 years.

 

[lucablight]

Over the long term it paints a pretty compelling picture. Merkins whinge about “37 years ffs” and in the same breath shitcan “those running the club”. But there has been a long stream of various merkins running the club since 1986. Maybe they all have been incompetent, but then surely that says something fundamental about the Parramatta Eels. This is why I talk about resources. It includes the people likely to end up making decisions at the club. Politis isn’t going to run for a position on our board. Russell Crowe isn’t going to buy the club. Meanwhile it’s been over 18 months since former Panthers chairman O’Neill (ffs) was arseholed from Penrith. Why hasn’t he applied at Parra?

I didn’t say that. I said we lack the resources to never miss the finals. We have also lacked the resources to reliably win a premiership in any timeframe shorter than 38 years.

I’m not sure how many times I have to say it before the penny drops but you keep assuming the conclusion and then finding data to support why it had to have been that way. What you should be doing is looking at whether we *should* have arrived at that particular destination in the first place.

 

[Noise]

Doesn’t it also depend on whether the opposition are also playing their best?

Ivan Cleary also said this in that Panthers doco. He said if they don’t get it right we (Parra) can beat them. But if they do get it right he didn’t think that we could.

But

Don't believe anything coaches say in the media:

Coach's Media: Round 19

Eels coach Brad Arthur talks to the media ahead of Saturday's encounter with the Warriors.

www.parraeels.com.au

So we only believe coaches in the media if they agree with Pou’s narrative.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Long term results is a meaningless metric. If I wanted to cherry pick like that I could start my argument by using the 80s as my starting point and saying we’ve underperformed based on long term results because we don’t win four premierships a decade anymore.

NO! WRONG! MATHS!

If you start from 1980 then we have won four premierships in 43 years, which is just under one per decade. That’s actually better than most clubs, in which case we’ve got nothing to complain about. But starting from 1980 is arbitrary to the point of trying to start with your conclusion, which is what you’re accusing T.S. Quint of doing. The only objective starting points are 1947 or the end of 2018 when Max Donnelly handed over to McElduff. Take your pick of which period should be used to judge our resources, but there is nothing unique about the early eighties that applies to 2023.

 

[the phantom menace]

Pou seems upset... he's EVEN! USING! CAPITALS!

 

[King-Gutho94]

You used that game as an example of them flogging us, yet the smallest bit of digging you can see we were basically fielding a reserve grade team whilst they were full strength.


You're dismissing 8 point wins against penrith as something every team has done. Since 2020 there would be a small handful of teams who've beaten penrith, if you're looking for a double digit win it'd be even less.

Our F/A against Penrith is -45 since the start of 2020.

Take out that reserve grade side where we tanked at end of 2021 our F/A against Penrith since 2020 is -11.

And it would be a 5 wins/5 loss split.

Unfortunately though the 2 main ones that mattered last year they bashed us. Especially with Moses getting KO week 1 of the finals with 25 mins to go.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I’m not sure how many times I have to say it before the penny drops but you keep assuming the conclusion and then finding data to support why it had to have been that way.

Mate you are assuming we should be up there with Penrith, Easts and Melbourne and providing no evidence at all. The burden is on you to support your opinion, not attack people who provide evidence against it.

What you should be doing is looking at whether we *should* have arrived at that particular destination in the first place.

Okay so where *should* we have arrived? How many premierships should we have won over the past 2/5/10/40/77 years? Who gets to decide this number and where is their evidence?

 

[JokerEel]

Doesn’t it also depend on whether the opposition are also playing their best?

Ivan Cleary also said this in that Panthers doco. He said if they don’t get it right we (Parra) can beat them. But if they do get it right he didn’t think that we could. This is what I’ve been saying to you all along. They have a better team. If they play their best it doesn’t matter how well we play. This is why we haven’t beaten them (or Melbourne) in the finals.

No f**k the opposition when we play at our best no one should be able to beat us!

 

[JokerEel]

NO! WRONG! MATHS!

If you start from 1980 then we have won four premierships in 43 years, which is just under one per decade. That’s actually better than most clubs, in which case we’ve got nothing to complain about. But starting from 1980 is arbitrary to the point of trying to start with your conclusion, which is what you’re accusing T.S. Quint of doing. The only objective starting points are 1947 or the end of 2018 when Max Donnelly handed over to McElduff. Take your pick of which period should be used to judge our resources, but there is nothing unique about the early eighties that applies to 2023.

Thats it lets take this to the Aquarium!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I have an erection already

 

[hindy111]

You used that game as an example of them flogging us, yet the smallest bit of digging you can see we were basically fielding a reserve grade team whilst they were full strength.


You're dismissing 8 point wins against penrith as something every team has done. Since 2020 there would be a small handful of teams who've beaten penrith, if you're looking for a double digit win it'd be even less.

It was also only 2 points in a qtr finals and a wrong call on the penalty and miss our Hooker.
We've gone well against them but the final series last year.