Rumours and Stuff

[ash411]

“I am not going to be dictated to by the NRL.

My favourite quote of the article.

 

[El Diablo]

Toddles and Grant won't like that

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

The option for centre is a no-go. Too much money concentrated in that area on the back of Jennings.

Fullback seems natural, considering his past, but I believe it would be the wrong option. In attack, Hayne can cover the halves from both positions. In defense, he has saved plenty of tries...but French has had a few great saves so far already.

Put Hayne in the halves. He can handle the workload in defense and fits there naturally in attack.

This leaves Gordon at the back for the rest of the season. Considering we need to win, at best, 7 from 8 to make the semis (although I stand by my position that we will get points back, but still...) then goalkicking will be immensely important.

So...

1. Gordon
5. French
6. Hayne
7. Norman
9. de Gois
14. Robson

That's the best line-up we can have for this year, overall, and it puts us in a better position for next year with Hayne having halves games under his belt.

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So the question really is - frontload contracts with Foran's money and leave Hayne alone for 2016, or sign him now with an eye to 2017?

 

[Avenger]

(although I stand by my position that we will get points back, but still...)
So the question really is - frontload contracts with Foran's money and leave Hayne alone for 2016, or sign him now with an eye to 2017?

We will not get any points back. FFS get over it.

If he is available we get him now especially considering that we rely so heavily on Norman and he has a court case hanging over his head and may get injured at any time.

 

[phantom eel]

Put Hayne in the halves. He can handle the workload in defense and fits there naturally in attack.

I have doubts Hayne can handle the workload in defence, in the frontline for 80mins, without it massively cruelling his attacking worth.

When has Hayne successfully handled front line defence before? And how would he go at front line defence after two years out of the game, playing "chiming in" roles with no defence like running back, punt return, and (training for) rugby 7s?

If you discount the god theory from his quotes, he pulled out of NFL through laziness of not wanting to learn a new coach's playbook. He didn't make the Fiji rugby 7s squad through laziness of not applying himself as much as the guys that were invested in making that squad for the past four years. You could even say he walked out on his contract with us through laziness (if you don't buy the chase a dream hype), and he was known to be a lazy trainer at the bst of times.

To sign Hayne this year - or next - for the halves would be a huge and expensive mistake imo, sending the balance of our squad and it's capabilities backwards. If - if - this is an option being imposed on Arthur in any way, rather than being Arthur's strongly held idea that he wants Hayne back (after letting him go), it could easily also result in the coach looking around at the end of his contract.

So yay, bring back Hayne...

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

If we're not getting any points back then 1 loss means the season is pretty much over. At that point, an injury or suspension to Norman means nothing, so signing Hayne for 2017 and using Foran's money to frontload makes more sense.

Having Norman in the team effectively means nothing. It's get some halves games under Hayne's belt or use the money to secure players for future contracts.

 

[hineyrulz]

I have doubts Hayne can handle the workload in defence, in the frontline for 80mins, without it massively cruelling his attacking worth.

When has Hayne successfully handled front line defence before? And how would he go at front line defence after two years out of the game, playing "chiming in" roles with no defence like running back, punt return, and (training for) rugby 7s?

If you discount the god theory from his quotes, he pulled out of NFL through laziness of not wanting to learn a new coach's playbook. He didn't make the Fiji rugby 7s squad through laziness of not applying himself as much as the guys that were invested in making that squad for the past four years. You could even say he walked out on his contract with us through laziness (if you don't buy the chase a dream hype), and he was known to be a lazy trainer at the bst of times.

To sign Hayne this year - or next - for the halves would be a huge and expensive mistake imo, sending the balance of our squad and it's capabilities backwards. If - if - this is an option being imposed on Arthur in any way, rather than being Arthur's strongly held idea that he wants Hayne back (after letting him go), it could easily also result in the coach looking around at the end of his contract.

So yay, bring back Hayne...

Here fishy fishy......

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

To sign Hayne this year - or next - for the halves would be a huge and expensive mistake imo, sending the balance of our squad and it's capabilities backwards. If - if - this is an option being imposed on Arthur in any way, rather than being Arthur's strongly held idea that he wants Hayne back (after letting him go), it could easily also result in the coach looking around at the end of his contract.

So yay, bring back Hayne...

I don't necessarily disagree with that.

I'd just also say that signing Hayne for massive coin to play fullback is a mistake, too, when we have a couple of guys who could make a real fist of it for next to nothing by comparison, leaving us plenty of cash to make the rest of our roster stronger.

Personally, I wouldn't sign Hayne at all, but I made my original post in the context of the discussion. If we are going to sign him, I'd do it in the halves, where we are significantly weaker. A bonus to this is Robson becomes a solid back up half-hooker, which we need, as well.

 

[Bigfella]

The anti Hayne posts by the usual suspects might have some credibility if they had applied the same logic to Foran - who isn't as good a player; had recurring injury issues; and was on more money under the cap than Hayne would be.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I don't necessarily disagree with that.

I'd just also say that signing Hayne for massive coin to play fullback is a mistake, too, when we have a couple of guys who could make a real fist of it for next to nothing by comparison, leaving us plenty of cash to make the rest of our roster stronger.

Personally, I wouldn't sign Hayne at all, but I made my original post in the context of the discussion. If we are going to sign him, I'd do it in the halves, where we are significantly weaker. A bonus to this is Robson becomes a solid back up half-hooker, which we need, as well.

Agreed

 

[Bigfella]

If the Product can play first grade at 6 then I'm tipping Jarryd f**king Hayne can make a fist of it

 

[Poupou Escobar]

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The anti Hayne posts by the usual suspects might have some credibility if they had applied the same logic to Foran - who isn't as good a player; had recurring injury issues; and was on more money under the cap than Hayne would be.

If Hayne was cheaper (under the cap) it's only because he's been out for two years plus Foran's TPAs were added to the cap after the fact.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If the Product can play first grade at 6 then I'm tipping Jarryd f**king Hayne can make a fist of it

Kelly is a backup. He'd be on less than a tenth of what Hayne would get.

 

[Kornstar]

Kelly is a backup. He'd be on less than a tenth of what Hayne would get.

That's not Bigfella's point though. People questioning whether he can play 5/8th was his point, not the value of his contract compared to others.

 

[phantom eel]

Here fishy fishy......

I felt a nibble! Oh, it's just a tiddler... better throw him back

 

[phantom eel]

The anti Hayne posts by the usual suspects might have some credibility if they had applied the same logic to Foran - who isn't as good a player; had recurring injury issues; and was on more money under the cap than Hayne would be.

And Foran had postive past expereince with our coach, which is probably why the coach and club went all out to sign him. And Foran was an international rep player in the position he was signed for.. compared to us joking about how Hayne can suddenly play five-eighth effectively after two years of no league training at all (let alone training for a positional change).

After Hayne effectively spoiling Arthur's 2015 squad with his selfish late notice walkout, do you think that would count in Arthur's mind as positive past experience?

 

[phantom eel]

That's not Bigfella's point though. People questioning whether he can play 5/8th was his point, not the value of his contract compared to others.

Um, it's all wrapped up in the one point. Questioning Hayne's value at five-eighth incorporates knowledge of his probable price tag.

If the coach/club wants to go with a structre where it has an $85K player at five-eight in order to strengthen other positions, I'll go easy on my criticism of said $85K player.

But if the club spends a fortune on a sabbatical player who is untested in the five-eighth postion, and likely to only bring a similarly poor frontline defensive skillset as the $85K player, then I'll criticise the decision to my heart's content.

 

[ash411]

And Foran had postive past expereince with our coach, which is probably why the coach and club went all out to sign him. And Foran was an international rep player in the position he was signed for.. compared to us joking about how Hayne can suddenly play five-eighth effectively after two years of no league training at all (let alone training for a positional change).

After Hayne effectively spoiling Arthur's 2015 squad with his selfish late notice walkout, do you think that would count in Arthur's mind as positive past experience?

I would hope that BA will make sure not to build the team around Hayne. Hopefully he will fit him into the squad, without completely disrupting it.

The last thing we want is to get back into the situation where we have to count on Hayne to have any chance of winning, He should be a cog in the machine, same as the rest of the squad.

 

[Kornstar]

Um, it's all wrapped up in the one point. Questioning Hayne's value at five-eighth incorporates knowledge of his probable price tag.

If the coach/club wants to go with a structre where it has an $85K player at five-eight in order to strengthen other positions, I'll go easy on my criticism of said $85K player.

But if the club spends a fortune on a sabbatical player who is untested in the five-eighth postion, and likely to only bring a similarly poor frontline defensive skillset as the $85K player, then I'll criticise the decision to my heart's content.

Where's the evidence that he will be poor in defence? Opinion? That's fine if it's your opinion but you can't state it as fact!

 

[ash411]

Where's the evidence that he will be poor in defence? Opinion? That's fine if it's your opinion but you can't state it as fact!

If anything the size he gained in the NFL would only help his front line defence, wouldn't it?