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Bazal

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Chipmunk said:
Serious offences for Carney? Urinating in a toilet twice, drink driving and a public misdemeanour

And Edwards - domestic violence offence (albeit on the lesser side of serious), circumventing the drug testing regime of the NRL and a conviction of some kind of public misdemeanour which resulted in a conviction?

There isn't a lot in it...
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"Urinating in a toilet twice"....pretty deliberately disingenuous. I'm sure the fella he knocked over and pissed on at All Bar Nun uses slightly different phrasing....drink driving is far more serious than anything Kenny has done, and you've missed out the additional charge of reckless driving. Oh, and you've also missed the incident the next year where he lead police on a high speed chase in Belco, whilst disqualified and allegedly intoxicated again...oh, oh, and the bloke he allegedly SET ON FIRE!!

There is a hell of a lot of difference....madness to suggest it's remotely comparable.
 
Happy MEel

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Bazal said:
"Urinating in a toilet twice"....pretty deliberately disingenuous. I'm sure the fella he knocked over and pissed on at All Bar Nun uses slightly different phrasing....drink driving is far more serious than anything Kenny has done, and you've missed out the additional charge of reckless driving. Oh, and you've also missed the incident the next year where he lead police on a high speed chase in Belco, whilst disqualified and allegedly intoxicated again...oh, oh, and the bloke he allegedly SET ON FIRE!!

There is a hell of a lot of difference....madness to suggest it's remotely comparable.
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Id argue in a sporting sense, which is what we're really talking about when it comes to suspension, the false drug test is the most serious as it directly impacts the integrity of the game of NRL. The other charges are certainly more significant in a criminal/legal sense but they impact the NRL through association. Not trivialising these incidents by any means as they are more serious and have greater impact on the community. But from an NRL perspective I'd argue Kenny's are worse.
 
Bazal

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The Colonel said:
But joking aside it may sound trivial but it's far from it.

6 weeks is on the lenient side IMO.
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Disagree entirely. Well, I wouldn't call it trivial, he's obviously done the wrong thing but otherwise. It's unsavoury, sure, and he should be punished for it but I'm genuinely amazed it even got to court. Especially once the intimidation charge was dropped...6 weeks would be hugely over the odds IMO
 
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Bazal said:
Disagree entirely. Well, I wouldn't call it trivial, he's obviously done the wrong thing but otherwise. It's unsavoury, sure, and he should be punished for it but I'm genuinely amazed it even got to court. Especially once the intimidation charge was dropped...6 weeks would be hugely over the odds IMO
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Just because the charges were dropped doesn't mean there wasn't intimidation involved. Most of the time it's because the evidence is based around "he said, she said" and the prosecution had little evidence to proceed.

Trivial matters often escalate. He may well be sorry now and often in the past.

Having seen first hand how legitimate claims can be overturned when you have money to pay for better than decent lawyers despite the evidence suggesting otherwise just helps to continue the cycle of abuse.
 
Glenneel

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Joshuatheeel said:
Peni got a 3 match ban for his first offence with the club and for a lessor offence.

Considering KE's record, I reckon a 6-10 match ban could be possible. Even contract termination wouldn't surprise me (what's worse assaulting a woman ? Or a bikie, like Vai?)
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Was he pleading guilty to assault for pouring water over her? We were not present but on its own a pretty insignificant charge, shouldn't be assault at all imo but that's the law these days. You can only hope the same law applies to a woman doing the same to a man.
If you saw "I'm a celeb" last nite Kris Smith talked about his ex-gf assaulting him, apparently she was a kick boxer, and applied a few moves on him. Be interesting if he had of taken it further thru the courts.
 
Glenneel

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84 Baby said:
I am utterly amazed that this is still a thing. Don't we have doctors on sideline these days to tell clubs if their players have concussion or not? Do NRL have regular mandatory testing on players? And even after that surely there is some sort of a disclaimer in contracts by now?
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Why should there be a disclaimer? You surely cannot have a contract indemnifying an employer against workplace injuries. Imo he is entitled to sue for a shortened career but he should sue the NRL, not his club, and they should have an injury fund somewhere just for this. If they haven't maybe its time to start one!
 
Bazal

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The Colonel said:
Just because the charges were dropped doesn't mean there wasn't intimidation involved. Most of the time it's because the evidence is based around "he said, she said" and the prosecution had little evidence to proceed.

Trivial matters often escalate. He may well be sorry now and often in the past.

Having seen first hand how legitimate claims can be overturned when you have money to pay for better than decent lawyers despite the evidence suggesting otherwise just helps to continue the cycle of abuse.
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Which is why I think it's a joke something like this goes all the way based on who the defendant is. You reckon Gazza from Mt Druitt would wind up in court for pouring a Woodstock on his missus? This is a waste of time when serious DV cases often find i so hard to be heard....
 
Chipmunk

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Bazal said:
"Urinating in a toilet twice"....pretty deliberately disingenuous. I'm sure the fella he knocked over and pissed on at All Bar Nun uses slightly different phrasing....drink driving is far more serious than anything Kenny has done, and you've missed out the additional charge of reckless driving. Oh, and you've also missed the incident the next year where he lead police on a high speed chase in Belco, whilst disqualified and allegedly intoxicated again...oh, oh, and the bloke he allegedly SET ON FIRE!!

There is a hell of a lot of difference....madness to suggest it's remotely comparable.
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I think you'll find the reckless driving was part of one of the drink driving issues, so essentially the same conduct.

Any criminal charges result from either urination in a toilet or allegedly setting someone on fire?
 
Bazal

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Chipmunk said:
I think you'll find the reckless driving was part of one of the drink driving issues, so essentially the same conduct.

Any criminal charges result from either urination in a toilet or allegedly setting someone on fire?
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Nah, you're right. Pissing on some bloke in a toilet, drink driving twice...definitely comparable to getting your mate to piss in a cup.

Honestly, Carney could have genuinely killed people. TWICE. Edwards has never, ever done anything of that magnitude and to suggest otherwise is unbelievably stupid.
 
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I wonder if they'll bring Gower in as a direct replacement or move taka to the bench and bring Kirisome into the centres from round 2.
 
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