Rumours and Stuff

[El Diablo]

No, you have a preconceived notion of what the situation is. No amount of arguing or justification will change that. I have been on this forum long enough to know that.

as do you but you keep comparing it something not even similar as if that's somehow relevant

 

[parrathruandthru]

Because unless she's immediately threatening him with actual bodily harm, what justification could there possibly be for a 110kg bloke to put one on a 60kg womans nose? Not decking a woman should just be basic behaviour, not something to be applauded.

And he didnt. He sprayed her with water. Therefore perhaps he shouldnt be being condemned for the incident because he didnt hit her.
no one was there and knows the full story but there seems to be a lot of opinions about him

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I didnt say it was right I said perhaps he showed restraint and didnt put one on her nose

Declining to punch her in the nose is not an example of restraint any more than deciding not to steal my neighbour's lawn mower when he leaves it unattended for a few minutes is. You don't get a medal for not being a cock.

 

[Bazal]

And he didnt. He sprayed her with water. Therefore perhaps he shouldnt be being condemned for the incident
no one was there and knows the full story but there seems to be a lot of opinions about him

You miss the point. He should not be congratulated for not thumping her, as you implied. That's a ridiculous and offensive notion because there is literally no way, in this situation, that hitting her would be a justifiable reaction. So why should it be seen as a good thing that he didn't hit her? Not hitting her should be the status quo

 

[parrathruandthru]

Declining to punch her in the nose is not an example of restraint any more than deciding not to steal my neighbour's lawn mower when he leaves it unattended for a few minutes is. You don't get a medal for not being a c**k.

Stupid argument. Did your neighbour make you angry

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It's like that time bart saved that woman from being stalked by deciding to do something else instead.

 

[strider]

And he didnt. He sprayed her with water. Therefore perhaps he shouldnt be being condemned for the incident because he didnt hit her.
no one was there and knows the full story but there seems to be a lot of opinions about him

I think you have a fair point ... but your original post probably wasnt very well worded

 

[strider]

You miss the point. He should not be congratulated for not thumping her, as you implied. That's a ridiculous and offensive notion because there is literally no way, in this situation, that hitting her would be a justifiable reaction. So why should it be seen as a good thing that he didn't hit her? Not hitting her should be the status quo

Exactly .... and thats exactly what he did ..... so he did the right thing - almost

 

[parrathruandthru]

You miss the point. He should not be congratulated for not thumping her, as you implied. That's a ridiculous and offensive notion because there is literally no way, in this situation, that hitting her would be a justifiable reaction. So why should it be seen as a good thing that he didn't hit her? Not hitting her should be the status quo

You have should have been witness to some relationships I have seen over the years
Both parties were as bad as each other and bring the situation on themselves. You are assuming his partner is not a crazy woman
I am saying no one was there to see the start of the incident we are only hearing about the end result
I am not condoning violence but I have seen what can happen when you push someones buttons and make them angry. Spraying water on someone to get rid of your anger is a better result than hitting them

 

[strider]

Declining to punch her in the nose is not an example of restraint any more than deciding not to steal my neighbour's lawn mower when he leaves it unattended for a few minutes is. You don't get a medal for not being a c**k.

Did your neighbour throw the lawn mower at you? Hit you with it?

We dont know what happened

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Stupid argument. Did your neighbour make you angry

It's a specious argument actually.

But to your original post....AFAIK there has been no suggestion by any party that any level of provocation that would justify punching her in the nose took place. Comments like your original post are part of the problem....they imply that there are circumstances (other than self defense) where it would be ok or understandable to belt your partner.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Did your neighbour throw the lawn mower at you? Hit you with it?

We dont know what happened

No, I just don't like him. My other neighbour, on the other hand, is 85, has terminal cancer and walks over and puts my bin away on days when the garbos come late. He is the salt of the earth and he is my friend.

 

[Bazal]

You have should have been witness to some relationships I have seen over the years
Both parties were as bad as each other and bring the situation on themselves. You are assuming his partner is not a crazy woman
I am saying no one was there to see the start of the incident we are only hearing about the end result
I am not condoning violence but I have seen what can happen when you push someones buttons and make them angry. Spraying water on someone to get rid of your anger is a better result than hitting them

I'm not sure anyone has ever missed a point this badly. In human history.

There is ZERO justification for a man to "put one on the nose" of a woman unless she is actively engaged in trying to seriously wound or kill him. Actually, you don't even need the gender pro-nouns. There is ZERO justification for a person to "put one on the nose" of another person during an argument unless they are in immediate physical danger.

So Kenny Edwards not hitting his missus is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. His partner was lying in bed. She was not placing him in immediate physical danger. She was not trying to actively injure him. Therefore, the fact that he did not hit her is NOT SOMETHING TO APPLAUD. It should be simply taken for granted that a person does not punch another person for absolutely no reason.

I have a very close friend who was a victim of domestic violence. She was once thrown through a glass sliding door. There is simply no situation in which a big, strong bloke should NEED restraint to not hit his partner. It's offensive to suggest otherwise. Not hitting your missus should just be the way it is, not something you need to actively practice ffs.

 

[parrathruandthru]

It's a specious argument actually.

But to your original post....AFAIK there has been no suggestion by any party that any level of provocation that would justify punching her in the nose took place. Comments like your original post are part of the problem....they imply that there are circumstances (other than self defense) where it would be ok or understandable to belt your partner.

No its not OK to hit someone. But its incorrect to assume that only one person is guilty.
Must be great to go through life and never be really angry
I will point out that I have never hit a woman. But I have seen it happen and on both those occasions they provoked the other person into doing it. On one of those occasions there was alcohol involved. On both occasions the hitter was leaving the scene but she would not let it go. All 4 regretted the outcome but it only took a moment for the outcome to happen

 

[Bazal]

Must be great to go through life and never be really angry

I have a woeful temper. Get it from the old man. I have still never once had to restrain myself from belting a woman....

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

No its not OK to hit someone. But its incorrect to assume that only one person is guilty.
Must be great to go through life and never be really angry
I will point out that I have never hit a woman. But I have seen it happen and on both those occasions they provoked the other person into doing it. On one of those occasions there was alcohol involved. On both occasions the hitter was leaving the scene but she would not let it go. All 4 regretted the outcome but it only took a moment for the outcome to happen

And what was this 'provocation'? Continuing to argue in an annoying way?

You don't get it. This attitude is part of the problem.

 

[parrathruandthru]

And what was this 'provocation'? Continuing to argue in an annoying way?

You don't get it. This attitude is part of the problem.

what attitude? wanting to know the full story before I decide to condemn someone?

 

[hindy111]

Most of them do, yes. It's amazing how addictive fitness stuff is...and I'm not even one of those types

Most of them do, yes. It's amazing how addictive fitness stuff is...and I'm not even one of those types

Oh and the neck tatts- Yeah I guess most these guys are really into there art. That's the standard answer they been taught right?

 

[Bazal]

Oh and the neck tatts- Yeah I guess most these guys are really into there art. That's the standard answer they been taught right?

Dude....Tattoos and body building are not inextricably linked...Yeah some are meatheads, most just do it because they enjoy it. Same reason I play cricket and you gaze wistfully at images of Gus Gould....

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

what attitude? wanting to know the full story before I decide to condemn someone?

You mean 'making up the possibility of an act of provocation that nobody involved has suggested'? We could ponder similar possibilities in the every case before the courts. Kenny pleaded guilty to common assault. Of course none of us were there. I don't think Kenny is necessarily a bad bloke. But this was not his finest hour. I don't want him sacked.....that wouldn't help anyone.