Rumours and Stuff

[emjaycee]

"You should learn to turn the other cheek"

It was probably more like "you're right - hitting a girl is fun"

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I would say that's a situation not adequately covered by either of my very basic situations (provocation during an argument/self defence) and I certainly wouldn't think any less of someone belting the bloke. I'm far from perfect, I had something of an altercation with the bloke who abused the friend I mentioned earlier.

The point was that there is never justification, during an argument, to resort to physical violence against anyone. Especially your missus. I completely understand that other situations exist

But why is what MJC did justified? Do you realise it's illegal? Is revenge a valid excuse for physically abusing someone?

 

[Happy MEel]

Never mate. In fact after I cook them in water the internals tend to go from a liquid to a solid state.

Do they create a gaseous state from your internals too after consumption?

 

[hineyrulz]

Lol that pic never gets old.

 

[emjaycee]

Saying that you understand it is providing tacit approval. It is never an understandable course of action to hit a woman because she made you angry. Simple as that. You can make whatever snide remarks you like, it doesn't matter. The attitude that it is ever understandable, and thus ok, to hit a woman who provokes you is absolute garbage. Can you understand that?

To be honest @Bazal, I dont think he actually said it was okay to hit a woman, even if provoked. I think he was stating that he has seen people hit a woman because provoked, but not justifying it.

 

[emjaycee]

Were you charged MJC?

Nah, for some reason he just walked away.

 

[Bazal]

But why is what MJC did justified? Do you realise it's illegal? Is revenge a valid excuse for physically abusing someone?

Legality doesn't make something right or wrong in and of itself.

I'm a firm believer in people getting what they deserve, and I would say that the bloke had it coming to him, which is not to say it was the right or the wrong thing to do. I can also understand the anger of being in that situation.

Whether it's justified or not is far too philisophical for a Monday night and tbh you'd just argue with me either way, wouldn't you Pou?

 

[parrathruandthru]

To be honest @Bazal, I dont think he actually said it was okay to hit a woman, even if provoked. I think he was stating that he has seen people hit a woman because provoked, but not justifying it.

thank you

 

[emjaycee]

But why is what MJC did justified? Do you realise it's illegal? Is revenge a valid excuse for physically abusing someone?

I do recognise that what I did was not legal and if it had been taken further I could have been in strife.
Would do it again if the same circumstances presented themselves.

 

[Happy MEel]

No its not OK to hit someone. But its incorrect to assume that only one person is guilty.
Must be great to go through life and never be really angry
I will point out that I have never hit a woman. But I have seen it happen and on both those occasions they provoked the other person into doing it. On one of those occasions there was alcohol involved. On both occasions the hitter was leaving the scene but she would not let it go. All 4 regretted the outcome but it only took a moment for the outcome to happen

Sounds like you hang out with some pretty awesome people....and the fact you haven't mentioned the other parties (presumably a female) were coming at them with some kind of weapon, yet you seem
to be justifying their actions, speaks volumes. Your bystander mentality/victim blaming is exactly what is wrong with this issue.

 

[Eelementary]

It's not that they're tougher, but that they are more invested in wanting people to think they're tougher. Therefore there is the perception here that such men will not react well to a lack of intimidation on the part of the target and will be more likely to escalate if the other doesn't back down.

Obviously it's not necessarily true even in a general sense, but that is the perception.

Makes sense.

 

[Bazal]

To be honest @Bazal, I dont think he actually said it was okay to hit a woman, even if provoked. I think he was stating that he has seen people hit a woman because provoked, but not justifying it.

See below as one example....

You have should have been witness to some relationships I have seen over the years
Both parties were as bad as each other and bring the situation on themselves. You are assuming his partner is not a crazy woman
I am saying no one was there to see the start of the incident we are only hearing about the end result
I am not condoning violence but I have seen what can happen when you push someones buttons and make them angry. Spraying water on someone to get rid of your anger is a better result than hitting them

Tbh, that reads like so many justifications of DV that we've all seen before. "She was going crazy!" "She brought it on herself, she made him angry!" "She pushed him over the edge, she shouldn't be surprised!"...you don't have explicitly state "I can understand a bloke thumping his missus" to make that same point come through

He also explicitly said "maybe Kenny should be commended for not hitting his missus" (paraphrased).....

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

To be honest @Bazal, I dont think he actually said it was okay to hit a woman, even if provoked. I think he was stating that he has seen people hit a woman because provoked, but not justifying it.

Maybe not, but he started by saying that maybe Kenny should be congratulated because he only threw water on her and didn't put one on her nose. I'm not sure how that's ok.

Was anybody there to see the incident? Has anybody considered maybe she provoked him?
Perhaps Kenny should be commended for only spraying her with water and not putting one on her nose
Takes at least two to argue

 

[emjaycee]

Maybe not, but he started by saying that maybe Kenny should be congratulated because he only threw water on her and didn't put one on her nose. I'm not sure how that's ok.

Agreed he didn't choose the right words to convey his message.

 

[Happy MEel]

Agreed he didn't choose the right words to convey his message.

To me it sounds like his message was she probably deserved to have one put on her nose but good on you Kenny for just throwing some alcohol over her.

Don't forget the infamous Keysar Trad informed us all that putting one on her nose is a last resort. Perhaps he could enlighten us where Kenny's actions sit in the checklist.

 

[parrathruandthru]

Sounds like you hang out with some pretty awesome people....and the fact you haven't mentioned the other parties (presumably a female) were coming at them with some kind of weapon, yet you seem
to be justifying their actions, speaks volumes. Your bystander mentality/victim blaming is exactly what is wrong with this issue.

in all your years have all the people in your circle been your best friends or people you would pick as your best friends? Dont your friends have friends you dont like?
On both occasions myself and others got in between the instigators to break it up.
Why does a weapon need to be involved. I have a mate (who has never hit a woman I might add) who's 40kg ex missus ripped and kicked the front door off a unit he was staying in to avoid her anger issues to get to him. 2 people had to restrain her. Dare say she would have scratched his eyeballs out if she could have got to him

 

[parrathruandthru]

Maybe not, but he started by saying that maybe Kenny should be congratulated because he only threw water on her and didn't put one on her nose. I'm not sure how that's ok.

commended not congratulated

 

[Noise]

commended not congratulated

commend
kəˈmɛnd/
verb
past tense: commended; past participle: commended

1. 1.
   praise formally or officially.
   "he was commended by the judge for his courageous actions"
   synonyms: praise, compliment, congratulate, applaud, clap, cheer, toast, salute, admire, honour, glorify, extol, eulogize, sing the praises of, praise to the skies, heap praise on, go into raptures about, wax lyrical about, speak highly of, look on with favour, pay homage to, pay tribute to, take one's hat off to, pat on the back;

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

commended not congratulated

Oh Jesus:

commend
kəˈmɛnd/
verb
past tense: commended; past participle: commended

1. 1.
   praise formally or officially.
   "he was commended by the judge for his courageous actions"
   synonyms: praise, compliment, congratulate, applaud, clap, cheer, toast, salute, admire, honour, glorify, extol, eulogize, sing the praises of, praise to the skies, heap praise on, go into raptures about, wax lyrical about, speak highly of, look on with favour, pay homage to, pay tribute to, take one's hat off to, pat on the back;
   informalbig someone up;
   informalballyhoo;
   datedcry someone up;
   archaicemblazon;
   rarelaud, panegyrize
   "we should commend him for his remarkable altruism"

 

[Happy MEel]

in all your years have all the people in your circle been your best friends or people you would pick as your best friends? Dont your friends have friends you dont like?
On both occasions myself and others got in between the instigators to break it up.
Why does a weapon need to be involved. I have a mate (who has never hit a woman I might add) who's 40kg ex missus ripped and kicked the front door off a unit he was staying in to avoid her anger issues to get to him. 2 people had to restrain her. Dare say she would have scratched his eyeballs out if she could have got to him

Sure, but thankfully my friends' choice of friends haven't felt the need to belt their missus. Otherwise I'd seriously have to question the people they hang out with and the need to keep them in my life.

If the scenario you outlined was in fact how you state then he probably should have called the cops on her in the past and/or taken an AVO out against her.