Rumours and Stuff

[hindy111]

I believe they have returned to us from the Warriors and are no longer on loan. The Warriors game V the Dogs was the last for them.

But named in this week's team

 

[Incorrect]

But named in this week's team

Really? Was certain they said in the ABC coverage over the weekend that they were heading back to the Eels after the Dogs game... My bad

 

[hineyrulz]

I believe they have returned to us from the Warriors and are no longer on loan. The Warriors game V the Dogs was the last for them.

Thank goodness, they could of done serious damage against us in a couple of weeks.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

I believe they have returned to us from the Warriors and are no longer on loan. The Warriors game V the Dogs was the last for them.

They're both playing this weekend

*EDIT* The loan was extended 1 more week

 

[84 Baby]

They’ll be back next week to tell us all the Warriors secrets.
“They have a winger that is good for spilling a kick once or twice a game, and a prop with no real speed or passing game.”

 

[TheRam]

Hayne's win rate at fullback is f**king atrocious.

So you're the guy who keeps harping on that you can't have million dollar superstar players in your roster because you then will probably end up with a whole bunch of nuffies around him but then you insinuate that he was a shit player. So what is it? Either he was shit and not worth it or his team mates let him down?

As for him being a lazy player. I call bullshit on that. If you look at all the stats over every season that he was with us before his American holiday, he was right up there in the top 3 or so of all fullback on every stat and leading some catagories. That is not a lazy player. That is a myth that many seem to hold over him, but I suppose if your name is Jarryd Hayne and you aren't scoring 90m tries and setting up 4 or 5 a game, well then you are lazy.

By the way, your argument doesn't hold water because well run clubs like the Storm and Roosters blow that argument out of the water. It all depends on how good your coach is at firstly attacting and recruiting quality players at the right price to surround those elite superstars and then how good he is at bringing the best out of them. And also developing the juniors at your club to always have quality coming through at initially cheap prices. Which is what the best 2 clubs have been doing for years and maybe Penrith is on their way to joining them.

We are doing catchup at the moment. We are almost there, but I don't think our coach can get the boys to the next level to become winners. I believe we will see that in the end we will have to bring in a proven quality coach that knows how to win a premiership.

 

[TheRam]

This doesn't need explaining but he was in terrible teams in an era when great teams were around. He wasn't a leader (atually he was probably a negative in terms of influence on team) but he was a great player. He and Kenny are our best attackers ever.

And the highest quality defenders. In fact you couldn't find better ones.

 

[Avenger]

So you're the guy who keeps harping on that you can't have million dollar superstar players in your roster because you then will probably end up with a whole bunch of nuffies around him but then you insinuate that he was a shit player. So what is it? Either he was shit and not worth it or his team mates let him down?

As for him being a lazy player. I call bullshit on that. If you look at all the stats over every season that he was with us before his American holiday, he was right up there in the top 3 or so of all fullback on every stat and leading some catagories. That is not a lazy player. That is a myth that many seem to hold over him, but I suppose if your name is Jarryd Hayne and you aren't scoring 90m tries and setting up 4 or 5 a game, well then you are lazy.

By the way, your argument doesn't hold water because well run clubs like the Storm and Roosters blow that argument out of the water. It all depends on how good your coach is at firstly attacting and recruiting quality players at the right price to surround those elite superstars and then how good he is at bringing the best out of them. And also developing the juniors at your club to always have quality coming through at initially cheap prices. Which is what the best 2 clubs have been doing for years and maybe Penrith is on their way to joining them.

We are doing catchup at the moment. We are almost there, but I don't think our coach can get the boys to the next level to become winners. I believe we will see that in the end we will have to bring in a proven quality coach that knows how to win a premiership.

Great post. Hayne was the best player I’ve ever seen and I’m starting to go off BA again.

 

[TheRam]

I would go further and say Hayne is our most talented ever player. But his involvement was too low for a modern fullback. It left a fair sized hole in our attack, which was hidden by his high impact when he did get the ball.

He was an absolutely amazing player, but there was no right position for him. He was probably best on the wing, but then his playmaking was wasted.

Bullocks! His work rate was fine, it was no worse then Inglis. In fact it was generally better then Iglis's. The only difference between the two was that Inglis played for superstar teams and the highest quality coaches all his career and shone off the back of that and so no one picked on him with silly comments like why doesn't he do more or he doesn't get involved enough or why isn't he carringing the freakin team more, like you have said over the freakin years.

No he played in an eara at Parra when we were basically at our lowest ebb as far as management of the club and coaching of our team. That wasn't his fault, he was just plain unlucky is all when it comes to the teams he was associated with and still he shone like no other. When I think back on the career of probably the most gifted footballer I have ever seen I can't help but feel sad that he came along at the time he did. Imagine what he would be like if he was starting out now? Imagine an 18 year old Jarryd Hayne on the wing in this current Parra team and eventually Fullback.

All those stats of his would be blown out of the water and dare I say he would have risen to even greater hights. But it is what it is and he will go done in history as a freakishly talented footballer that never quite fulfilled his potential and some of it by his own doing at the back end of his career in particular.

 

[TheRam]

And yet never poached by a genuine title contender. There is strong evidence the bloke was a toxic influence.

And as I said, involvement too low for a conventional fullback. It's a position that requires an endurance athlete to provide full service. Otherwise it's just a roaming winger.

One could say Wendel Sailor was a toxic influence and a terrible trainer that wouldn't do everything that other players in the squad did, but he had leaders and quality playmakers and the best teams all around him and of course the number one coach in the game at the time to for best tutelage and influence any player could get. That makes all the difference in the world mate.

Jarryd was hardly the worst type of personality player type but he did need to be managed properly more then some others, just like a lot of other players do. But he was basically in the worst club environment in the NRL at the time. He had no chance of getting himself sorted correctly.

 

[TheRam]

In terms of raw ability, Hayne was the best player Parramatta has ever produced, imo - kick, pass, run, tackle...he could do it all.

But in a professional league, with a salary cap, I would take Gutherson over him; I'm well aware that he is nowhere near as talented, but Gutherson provides in areas that Hayne struggled in (leadership, involvement), costs a lot less (allowing us to spend cap money in other areas), and (while not being in the same league as Hayne) Gutherson is still a very skilful fullback.

I know it's controversial, but there you go.

I love Gutherson and he is my current favorite player, but I would take Hayne every single time. Are you kidding me? Hayne at the back of this team?

He would do things that we and the world would just marvel at and be in total awe of. He is probably watching Parra play now a days, especially with the exra space out there now(six again) and wishing that he had played in such a strong Parra team. It would be like 09 over and over again.

Put Gutho in some of those lousy Parra teams that Hayne had to play in and see what he would have been able to achieve. Remember when Gutho first came to Parra and played in our then shit teams. Hardly a whimper at times. He is a great player Gutho, but he can't influence a team much when they are playing crap. Hayne could and did time and time again and so under appreciated for it.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

This team couldn't afford Hayne at fullback, and we already have a bunch of dudes on unders.

 

[TheRam]

This team could easily afford a very young Hayne starting out mate. He didn't hit the $1m tag until his later years with us. The 18-25 year old Hayne could easily take Gutho's $700K+ a season money with change to spare mate.

 

[hineyrulz]

We can’t afford a million dollar player yet the Storm in 2017 had 3 plus Munster and Bromwich lol.

 

[hineyrulz]

If Hayne started and played his whole career at a club like the Storm he would of ended up a better player than Billy Slater.

 

[eel01s]

Absolutely. Hayne was the most gifted player I have ever seen.

 

[Eelementary]

I love Gutherson and he is my current favorite player, but I would take Hayne every single time. Are you kidding me? Hayne at the back of this team?

He would do things that we and the world would just marvel at and be in total awe of. He is probably watching Parra play now a days, especially with the exra space out there now(six again) and wishing that he had played in such a strong Parra team. It would be like 09 over and over again.

Put Gutho in some of those lousy Parra teams that Hayne had to play in and see what he would have been able to achieve. Remember when Gutho first came to Parra and played in our then shit teams. Hardly a whimper at times. He is a great player Gutho, but he can't influence a team much when they are playing crap. Hayne could and did time and time again and so under appreciated for it.

That's exactly my point, though - if we had Hayne in the side, over Gutherson, we probably wouldn't have any one (maybe two) of Blake, RCG, Paulo, Matterson, Moses...

As good as he is, his cost would force us to spend less in other key areas, and for the sake of the balance of the squad, Gutherson, while nowhere near as talented as Hayne, is a better fit.

If we had a much higher salary cap, or no cap at all, then it would be Hayne, every day.

 

[emjaycee]

We are doing catchup at the moment. We are almost there, but I don't think our coach can get the boys to the next level to become winners. I believe we will see that in the end we will have to bring in a proven quality coach that knows how to win a premiership.

I am not having a go at anything you have said (and agree with most of it) however I am interested in your thoughts on a proven quality coach that knows how to win a premiership and who you think we might be able to snare?

In the last 15 years there has been 8 coaches that have won premierships.
I don't see Bennett, Bellamy or Hasler ever coming near us for a number of reasons (similar to the fact we should never have signed Stuart - the fit is just so wrong).
Sheens is no longer coaching and is too old anyway.
Flanagan has too many question marks over him and while he might be a good coach, he would be a toxic cancer in my opinion.

That leaves Robinson, Green and Madge. Is one of these who you think we should look at?

 

[emjaycee]

Great post. Hayne was the best player I’ve ever seen and I’m starting to go off BA again.

I know you are the ultimate swinger, but if we make the prelim final and lose in a close one to the eventual premiers, will you be off BA?
Only one coach can win the GF each year so does that make the rest a failure?

BA has kept us in the Top 8 since Round 1, 2019 (40 consecutive rounds). A feat matched only by Bellamy and Stuart.

 

[Tooooks]

Once upon a time, Bellamy, Bennett, Robinson didn’t know how to win a premiership either.

I’m not convinced either way on BA yet. If he is intentionally “muting” (for want of a better word) our attack with a view to holding something back for the run to the finals then I think he’s showing a fair bit of nous.

If, on the other hand, he has no idea why our attack is so crap and has no clue how to fix it, well....that’s an issue.

If it’s the latter, then we’re no hope of winning the comp imo. No matter how good our defence is.