Rumours and Stuff

[Gronk]

Yes, but , our guys are much smarter than Gus, that’s because they think they are the smartest in the room.

Roosters gave Brandon Smith a PO. Why do you think they did that ?

 

[hineyrulz]

Roosters gave Brandon Smith a PO. Why do you think they did that ?

Do 8 of their players have PO’s like we do???

 

[hineyrulz]

Wait...Parra beat Parra?

We do it every week moite!!

 

[Gronk]

Do 8 of their players have PO’s like we do???

Storm gave Harry Grant a PO, why do you think they did that ?

 

[hineyrulz]

Storm gave Harry Grant a PO, why do you think they did that ?

Again do they have 8 players with PO’s???

 

[Glenneel]

Your constant bickering and attacks on each other is embarrasing to the forum.
It's time to just meet and punch the f**k out of each other. I'll take bets.
You're favourite to win. I reckon in less the 60 seconds.

Can you imagine the trash talk beforehand. They'd bore each other to death before a punch (handbag) thrown.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

and the profile of a team that is on equal points with Parra and equal last.

Origin halfback Moses has missed too many games.

You can t twist and turn and spout percentages as much as you like. Rugba Leeg is a simple game. Claiming you need 55% possession to win is ridiculous

I just showed you we beat the Cowboys with 51%

as the Tigers proved against Parra. Parra dominated possession

To call 53% of the ball ‘dominating possession’ is hyperbole. It’s only 6% extra.

and the worst team in the comp still beat Parra.....how do you spin that?

Unlucky on the day. Across a larger sample of games it’s clear we have one of the worst completion rates in the comp. Back when we were winning we had one of the best.

 

[Gronk]

Again do they have 8 players with PO’s???

Avoiding the fact that "more professional" clubs do it, only weakens the blanket argument against options.

No too long ago merkins were crowing that Blaize "held us to ransom" because he had a PO. The reality is that he has been off contract since November and we have been trying to get his signature since the off season. So the fact that a player like that had an option (assume at a low ball price) became irrelevant.

Each November on the year before his contract expiry date, Dylan will become available for other clubs to snap up. So option or not nothing changes.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The point still stands. We are underachieving relative to our size and “resources”.

How do you know that?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Right. So we can stop with this nonsense about how we need an overwhelming amount of possession just to remain competitive.

Well obviously there’s outliers. We were lucky against the Cowboys, winning with even possession (or the Cowboys are even more vulnerable to lack of possession than us). But in general, we need more of the ball. The stats prove it.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yes, but , our guys are much smarter than Gus, that’s because they think they are the smartest in the room.

If you’re “handing power to the player” it’s in exchange for something. That something is money under the cap. Maybe Gus has other things to give to players instead of money under the cap? How about shares in a pub that Laundy will buy back at cost if they lose money?

It’s easy to look down your nose at contract options when you’ve got other incentives outside the cap.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Roosters gave Brandon Smith a PO. Why do you think they did that ?

To keep his cost down

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Do 8 of their players have PO’s like we do???

We are reducing the cap price of eight players.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Storm gave Harry Grant a PO, why do you think they did that ?

Again, to reduce his price.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Again do they have 8 players with PO’s???

If one is good then eight might be better?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Avoiding the fact that "more professional" clubs do it, only weakens the blanket argument against options.

No too long ago merkins were crowing that Blaize "held us to ransom" because he had a PO. The reality is that he has been off contract since November and we have been trying to get his signature since the off season. So the fact that a player like that had an option (assume at a low ball price) became irrelevant.

Each November on the year before his contract expiry date, Dylan will become available for other clubs to snap up. So option or not nothing changes.

Exactly. The only risk to us is that the player isn’t worth the option and takes it up. The benefit is at the point of negotiations, bringing salary demands down.

 

[hineyrulz]

We are reducing the cap price of eight players.

Source???

 

[hineyrulz]

Comparing two of the best run clubs in the NRL who might be offer a PO to a star player to us who have almost a third of the playing the playing roster on PO’s.

Heckle and Jeckle love those Apples to apples comparisons lol.

 

[Delboy]

Comparing two of the best run clubs in the NRL who might be offer a PO to a star player to us who have almost a third of the playing the playing roster on PO’s.

Heckle and Jeckle love those Apples to apples comparisons lol.

Using the Roosters and Storm as comparison is moot, would say the odds given their access to TPAs and media type employment their options would likely mean something completely different.

The mood in the club is not good currently and it’s probably become easier to look elsewhere , not always dependent on money. Still, if you believe that things are running smoothly and we are on top of things, good for you.

 

[Gronk]

Comparing two of the best run clubs in the NRL who might be offer a PO to a star player to us who have almost a third of the playing the playing roster on PO’s.

Heckle and Jeckle love those Apples to apples comparisons lol.

So you don't know why POs are offered by Storm and Roosters.

Using the Roosters and Storm as comparison is moot, would say the odds given their access to TPAs and media type employment their options would likely mean something completely different.

All you have really said is that you don't know.

Still, if you believe that things are running smoothly and we are on top of things, good for you.

Silly talk. I never said that things are rosy. I just want to know why there is a sudden eruption over player options. You seem to be convinced that they are bad, but nobody has really said a compelling reason why.

There is a reddit thread from NFL that offers this on player options...

You have the option of refusing to sign the Franchise tenure. And unless you are a superstar, the open market isn't a good place to be. If you are a superstar, you generally generally don't want to leave if the team your with is willing to pay you money.

There's a salary cap. That means teams only have a limited amount of money that they can divide up to pay their players. Good teams generally don't have much cap space because they are paying so much money for good players. Bad teams generally have a lot more cap space to work with. You can be a great player for JAX, but you aren't going to find many teams that are willing or able to pay you more than JAX.

Having an option to leave doesn't provide you with job security. It gives you the ability to jump ship. The only reason you would want to jump ship is to play for a better team. The better team won't be able to pay you as much as your bad team could have. So you either have to sign with another crappy team, or take a pay cut to play for the good team. And guess what? When you take a pay cut to play for a good team you are very, very expendable because they can cut you without suffering too much of a cap hit.