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Poupou Escobar

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Exactly what everyone else around here says to themselves when we see your "contributions"....

Sorry to say, but whatever credibility you may have had was completely extinguished when Hineyrulz called you out for your obvious attempts at shoring up an argument without having watched the game he referenced...
Because the highlight he referenced means nothing. First he said Munster beat Tedesco in the air then he said it was Collins. Whether I watched the game or not doesn't change how relevant it is.
The term fraud is justified... But go back to the stats as soon as you can to continue your lame validations....
Because stats are data and highlights are entertainment. If my validations were as lame as you say, you wouldn't need to resort to your endless childish attempts at gotcha moments. Tedesco is still a great player and if you think he isn't, you're the one who's wrong, not me.
 

Poupou Escobar

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That's right, Barrett changed our attack, not BA. So my comment applies, he had little tactics beyond 'chase the collision'.
If assistant coaches are responsible for tactics, why does it matter? Head coaches have a coaching staff for a reason, and 'chase the collision' would've been the tactic of our previous attacking coach. Given the drop off in completion rate after Barrett joined, and the extra pressure on our defence, maybe we would've been better off sticking with the tactics that got us into the finals four straight years.
So a coach has NO input into the players they want. Have you had a brain lobotomy?
That's the only option is it? They either sign all the players and manage the salary cap or they have "NO input into the players they want"? That's the only two options in your mind? And you wonder if I had the lobotomy?
Never this many-already 3 with another on way. BA only had 1 per year didn't hr?
Just like Origin, I don't care and wouldn't remember.
Funny how this happened after Ryles appointed. And you think there's no correlation?
There's obviously a correlation. The question here is about causality. Why do we suddenly have a bigger budget for NRL coaching staff and junior pathways staff? Has Ryles brought James Packer with him or has someone up the chain opened the purse strings? Have we recently completed a large infrastructure works and suddenly have cash freed up for extra full time staff perhaps?
Correct but coaches have final input in the way the football dept runs.
No they don't. The CEO has final input here. If the board are inclined to interfere, they might make the final call instead. But a strong football department is expensive, and the coach doesn't set the budget and isn't responsible for developing or managing it. Standard practice is that the CEO develops the budget and the board approves it. In the context of an NRL club, the CEO will give the head coach more or less authority, depending on how much he trusts him. This will be based on his achievements, and so a rookie coach will be on a short leash. Someone like Bellamy or Bennett might be the most influential figure in the club. Someone like Ryles might just be responsible for preparing the NRL team he's given, only assisting the list management group with input around recruitment/retention. He might also be given a big coaching staff to help him prepare the team.
 

hineyrulz

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Because the highlight he referenced means nothing. First he said Munster beat Tedesco in the air then he said it was Collins. Whether I watched the game or not doesn't change how relevant it is.

Because stats are data and highlights are entertainment. If my validations were as lame as you say, you wouldn't need to resort to your endless childish attempts at gotcha moments. Tedesco is still a great player and if you think he isn't, you're the one who's wrong, not me.
I never mentioned Munster you lying Bullshit artist, i said Herman Munster which is Lindsay Collins. You said Munster lol, everyone else knew i was referring too expect the fraud who didn't even watch the game.


Keep digging simpleton.
 

Poupou Escobar

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According to Pou Ryles does/did nothing.
No I said he doesn't do everything.
All done by some committee apparently
lol yeah apparently (from 1:50): https://www.parraeels.com.au/news/2...eflects-on-his-first-few-weeks-as-head-coach/

This is also my understanding of Arthur's input to recruitment/retention when he was here. I tried to tell you people list management was a separate function to coaching and the response was lOl PoU tHiNkS tHe CoAcH dOeS nOtHiNg!!! Well Ryles has confirmed it. Who would've thought a large expensive organisation wasn't overseen by a former rugby league player with no other qualifications ffs

The coach coaches the team with the help of his assistants. Other subject matter experts bring their experience and expertise to the various football department roles (e.g. pathways, list management, etc), but the big governance decisions are made by businesspeople.
but gee they hugely improved once they appointed Ryles - just a co-incidence apparently. That right Pou?
They also 'hugely improved' after running last in 2018. It's what happens when teams shit the bed. They have a clean out and bring in new players. If you want to think some rookie coach makes all the decisions at an NRL club that's your problem. You're not Robinson Crusoe.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Especially if we do well and Ryles totally shows up the bald fraud.

“But but but but you can’t compare coaches in different seasons”

Unless it suits the disingenuous frauds argument tyen its open slather.
We have also done well under Arthur, so Ryles doing well would prove nothing. If we suck next year would it prove Ryles is shit? Only an idiot would think so.
 

hineyrulz

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We have also done well under Arthur, so Ryles doing well would prove nothing. If we suck next year would it prove Ryles is shit? Only an idiot would think so.
Glug glug glug!! The gobbling never ends.


11 years, you would hope we had some good seasons, "but but but but but there was no one better than Brad absolutely no one"
 

Poupou Escobar

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I never mentioned Munster you lying Bullshit artist, i said Herman Munster which is Lindsay Collins. You said Munster lol, everyone else knew i was referring too expect the fraud who didn't even watch the game.


Keep digging simpleton.
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JokerEel

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One does indeed lead into the other but that doesn't mean they are the same thing. They aren't even run by the same people. Pathways are the responsibility of the pathways staff, not the NRL coaching staff.

That's because you can just buy them on the market. You're not forced to bring them through your pathways, it's just a bonus if you can. It's why Penrith bought Blaize Talagi and Alamoti the year before that. Because they didn't have the players ready in their own pathways. We had halves ready to come through (Sanders and Talagi) but didn't need them for the NRL team. Back when we brought Dylan Brown through, he was so good we created space for him, shopping Norman and Moses until the first one got a buyer.


But the Pathways is run to feed into the NRL side they work together.. well they should..

Of course you need to buy players every club does it to fill gaps but unfortunately our club has been poorly run for years and development wasn't a priority.

The McLean brothers probably are ready to fill in the gaps left by May and Tuarva. Alamoti got lucky May f**ked up...
Liam Henry/Lindsay Smith come from their juniors to take over from JFH all coming through the system all understanding the structure the first grade side needs.

It's also what happens when you win 4 years in row.... Players will eventually leave for more money.

Imagine shopping Moses 😵💫 Norman I get but Moses....
 

JokerEel

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Glug glug glug!! The gobbling never ends.


11 years, you would hope we had some good seasons, "but but but but but there was no one better than Brad absolutely no one"


Like at least when Smith f**ked off we had some players coming through and a pretty decent side still..

With BA.he f**ked off and a majority of the side will be flipped due to the shit BA had done.
 

Glenneel

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I Watched Joash play alot of lower grades for the dogs he probably the perfect 14 to bring him in to the NRL. I was disappointed to lose him as I thought he would have been ideal In that spot for us can cover 1,6,9 has played 13 in lower grades and could probably cover wing or centre if needed. but did make a good go at the fullback spot. Hope he gets a good crack this year against the Dogs,
 

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If assistant coaches are responsible for tactics, why does it matter? Head coaches have a coaching staff for a reason, and 'chase the collision' would've been the tactic of our previous attacking coach. Given the drop off in completion rate after Barrett joined, and the extra pressure on our defence, maybe we would've been better off sticking with the tactics that got us into the finals four straight years.
BA has been saying 'chase the collision' for years regardless of his assistants. Go figure, according to you, he was stuck in the past by outdated tactics that failed us for one and half years until sacked.
That's the only option is it? They either sign all the players and manage the salary cap or they have "NO input into the players they want"? That's the only two options in your mind? And you wonder if I had the lobotomy?
Why wouldn't the coach have sole decision on what players they want. It is then up to R & R Committee if they can get them. You can't have R & R being independent of coach, that's just stupid thinking.
Just like Origin, I don't care and wouldn't remember.

There's obviously a correlation. The question here is about causality. Why do we suddenly have a bigger budget for NRL coaching staff and junior pathways staff? Has Ryles brought James Packer with him or has someone up the chain opened the purse strings? Have we recently completed a large infrastructure works and suddenly have cash freed up for extra full time staff perhaps?
You don't think Ryles didn't have a plan? I would suggest he had it all written down in file which he presented to board when being interviewed. That's what I'd do with previous experience and letters of recommendation included and suggest that is what any decent coach would do.
No they don't. The CEO has final input here. If the board are inclined to interfere, they might make the final call instead. But a strong football department is expensive, and the coach doesn't set the budget and isn't responsible for developing or managing it. Standard practice is that the CEO develops the budget and the board approves it. In the context of an NRL club, the CEO will give the head coach more or less authority, depending on how much he trusts him. This will be based on his achievements, and so a rookie coach will be on a short leash. Someone like Bellamy or Bennett might be the most influential figure in the club. Someone like Ryles might just be responsible for preparing the NRL team he's given, only assisting the list management group with input around recruitment/retention. He might also be given a big coaching staff to help him prepare the team.
As per previous, Ryles imo would've had holistic plan for organisation from juniors up, his wish list, and board gave him job on proviso plan carried out. That's my take but you'll have another for sure.
 

oldmancraigy

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I Watched Joash play alot of lower grades for the dogs he probably the perfect 14 to bring him in to the NRL. I was disappointed to lose him as I thought he would have been ideal In that spot for us can cover 1,6,9 has played 13 in lower grades and could probably cover wing or centre if needed. but did make a good go at the fullback spot. Hope he gets a good crack this year

Did you notice him winking a lot, or is that a new aspect he has developed?


Kind of worries me (given Dylbags track history....)
 
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