Rumours and Whingers and Occasional Optimism XXIX

[Chipmunk]

None of that makes it legal to deny players the opportunity to earn money from sources outside the club and its sponsors. As I said about 5 pages back, raising or scrapping the cap certainly reduces the incentive to use TPAs outside the marquee allowance, but it doesn't scrap them.

US College Football seems to be able to do it.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

US College Football seems to be able to do it.

That's part of what the students agree to when they enter college. It is an 'amateur' sport, that they willingly participate in, and if they want to be paid, they are free to enter the NFL draft whenever they like (even without going to College). And even that fails spectacularly at times (see cases of Trojans and Miami).

 

[oldmancraigy]

Points system would be a minefield

It is about the most simplistic thing I have ever heard of! So many problems with that system, and it wouldn't resolve anything - the clubs who can pay more will get the best players anyway...

Soft cap with luxury tax. Take the NBA model. That way teams who way overspend subsidize the poorer teams --> include a trading model, etc. But it still doesn't solve more popular teams having more cash to splash in the TPA market.

Maybe the NRL should get a cut from all third party agreements (20%?), which they turn most of directly back to the clubs (distributed evenly), then the clubs have more money to play with, which means they can raise the cap, higher base salaries means the TPA thing isn't as significant an issue.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

So the eels have peats / Norman off contract. The media is pushing the line that we are struggling to re-sign Norman - quick to report if he has received interest from other clubs.

Yet the dogs have more players off contract , klemmer, Jackson , Moses, Eastwood but no sensational reports about their attempts to negotiate new contracts.

 

[84 Baby]

US College Football seems to be able to do it.

Yeah US college sports stars don't earn money :sarcasm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-4nVSV1LeU

 

[emjaycee]

None of that makes it legal to deny players the opportunity to earn money from sources outside the club and its sponsors. As I said about 5 pages back, raising or scrapping the cap certainly reduces the incentive to use TPAs outside the marquee allowance, but it doesn't scrap them.

I think we are agreeing on the same thing, in different ways and I was just being lazy last night and not providing detail.

My suggestion is to scrap the TPA and effectively the marquee player allowance and let clubs or Player Managers arrange additional payments to players up to say a total of $2m (arbitrary).

The payments can come from non-associated entities, associated entities or even from the club itself and the club can guarantee them if it desires - in effect a player sponsorship allowance.

There is already a restraint of trade type issue in so much as players cannot earn a secondary income from a second job if they are on a full-time NRL contract so there is no way we should limit their ability to have external parties 'sponsor' them directly.

Hope that makes more sense now.

 

[oldmancraigy]

MJC, what Baz is saying is that even if you do as suggested, then there will be club/s who push the envelope on that one anyway.

Players will earn big bucks outside whatever the club can organize for them, all your suggestion is doing is raising the $600k marquee allowance to $2mill. Do you really think player managers won't be chasing more revenue?

Plus, wherever you set the bar you run the risk of creating a salary cap that some clubs can't reach, and so the whole point of the cap is gone - might as well scrap it in that case?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I agree with you both. Ultimately, regardless of how the cap is packaged (e.g. Standard + TPA allowance, or just one flat amount), if the threshold at which the cap is set is below what some clubs believe it is worth to spend on the team, then there will be incentives for shenanigans. The higher the cap, the lower that incentive is, but obviously that comes with some downside too. This ultimately stems from the cap having two separate purposes (distribution of talent, constraining total expenditure).

 

[Chipmunk]

Yeah US college sports stars don't earn money :sarcasm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-4nVSV1LeU

There also not allowed to earn money.

 

[Chipmunk]

I think we are agreeing on the same thing, in different ways and I was just being lazy last night and not providing detail.

My suggestion is to scrap the TPA and effectively the marquee player allowance and let clubs or Player Managers arrange additional payments to players up to say a total of $2m (arbitrary).

The payments can come from non-associated entities, associated entities or even from the club itself and the club can guarantee them if it desires - in effect a player sponsorship allowance.

There is already a restraint of trade type issue in so much as players cannot earn a secondary income from a second job if they are on a full-time NRL contract so there is no way we should limit their ability to have external parties 'sponsor' them directly.

Hope that makes more sense now.

Is this an actual rule about the second job?

What about Corey Parker, Michael Ennis and Bunji 'working' every week on a Foxsports show? Surely they're not doing it for free and this would be classified as a 'second job'?

 

[yy_cheng]

BTW, this is the story about Pou

http://www.nospam47.com/league-news/4701263-video-what-happens-when-you-lose-a-bet-to-semi-radradra

 

[Gronk]

Is this an actual rule about the second job?

What about Corey Parker, Michael Ennis and Bunji 'working' every week on a Foxsports show? Surely they're not doing it for free and this would be classified as a 'second job'?

It seems that Foz is on the Ch9 payroll as well.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

It seems that Foz is on the Ch9 payroll as well.

And 2ky, now has a weekly interview on the BSB. Parker also has a weekly spot. I doubt they are doing it for free.

 

[emjaycee]

They can have a second job if it is involved in the promotion of the game, the NRL or their club but it must be declared income.

I asked the question whether I could hire a player for my company and was told NO.

 

[Noise]

Matt Ballin has a 2nd job not involved with the NRL or his club. He is a personal trainer.

 

[Chipmunk]

They can have a second job if it is involved in the promotion of the game, the NRL or their club but it must be declared income.

I asked the question whether I could hire a player for my company and was told NO.

What exactly does your company do though? Like what industry?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

He owns the GWS Giants.

 

[Dibs]

They can have a second job if it is involved in the promotion of the game, the NRL or their club but it must be declared income.

I asked the question whether I could hire a player for my company and was told NO.

Interesting is that a more recent change? Craig Stapleton use to have a 2nd job when he played for us. Or maybe he could have another job cause he was only a 2nd tier player

 

[Chipmunk]

Is the bloke from the Roosters with the Matt King like hair still working as a garbo?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Is this an actual rule about the second job?

What about Corey Parker, Michael Ennis and Bunji 'working' every week on a Foxsports show? Surely they're not doing it for free and this would be classified as a 'second job'?

They won't be able to take jobs incompatible with their obligations to their club. So pretty much anything that impairs their ability to train / play etc, or has an obvious injury risk, would be out unless they have explicit permission, anything likely to bring the game / club into disrepute would be out. But they can earn (or otherwise) be paid income outside that. There's no problem with promotional work as long as their club approves it.