Rumours and Whingers and Occasional Optimism XXIX

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

TPA system is bullshit. Let's say that we had a billionaire oil baron sugar daddy. Not affiliated with the club. He just liked the Eels.

He makes it known that money is no object and bank rolls TPAs to the tune of $5M per year spread over the entire roster. Unfair ? Yes. Legal ? Why not ?

What is your alternative system?

 

[Chipmunk]

What is your alternative system?

Why couldn't they publish all TPAs on the NRLs website?

People would soon work out whether any of them are dodgy.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Why couldn't they publish all TPAs on the NRLs website?

People would soon work out whether any of them are dodgy.

Because, unless the it is incorporated in the CBA, the NRL have no right to publish players' salaries or parts thereof.

But even if you did publish the ones that are actually registered (as opposed to ones that nobody knows about) what information is going to be disclosed that will establish that some of them are 'dodgy'?

 

[Chipmunk]

Because, unless the it is incorporated in the CBA, the NRL have no right to publish players' salaries or parts thereof.

But even if you did publish the ones that are actually registered (as opposed to ones that nobody knows about) what information is going to be disclosed that will establish that some of them are 'dodgy'?

I didnt say the amounts need to be published, juat who sponsors what player.

The main issue with TPAs is if they are somehow associated with a club, the amount of a TPA is not really relevant in most respects. It would at least be easier to be able to work out if there is some sort of association with any club arrangements.

Why would a player or Manager not know about a TPA?

 

[Glenn]

Lol 7 running with "Hayne doing renos to Moore Park house, must mean he signing with roosters"

A Massoud special. :crazy::lol:

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I didnt say the amounts need to be published, juat who sponsors what player.

The main issue with TPAs is if they are somehow associated with a club, the amount of a TPA is not really relevant in most respects. It would at least be easier to be able to work out if there is some sort of association with any club arrangements.

Why would a player or Manager not know about a TPA?

Well, to be fair, you said 'why don't they publish all TPAs'....and that literally means publishing all agreements (i.e. contracts).

Obviously, the PA would presumably have less of an issue with only publishing the existence of a deal. I'm just not sure what good it would do. What you'll discover is that the lots of them involve people who know people at Club X, and that the general public will suspect that all of them are dodgy (except those involving their own club).

 

[strider]

It's not quite open slather, because under this system the clubs run the risk of getting caught , and this surely factors into decisions. Also there are 'transaction costs' associated with playing silly buggers.

Well no they actually dont ... unless they are stupid - case in point, us!

 

[oldmancraigy]

TPA system is bullshit. Let's say that we had a billionaire oil baron sugar daddy. Not affiliated with the club. He just liked the Eels.

He makes it known that money is no object and bank rolls TPAs to the tune of $5M per year spread over the entire roster. Unfair ? Yes. Legal ? Why not ?

Erm yeah, but he has to be ok to pay the money to the players if they choose to change clubs, otherwise it will get recognised as a part of the cap.

Impossible to legislate against effectively - it happens in all salary capped sports, not sure anyone has an effective solution? For me it is to have a trading system, if the player gets traded the TPA goes with them, so a tiny bit trickier to sneakily entice someone to play for a certain club.
Still not great

 

[Swiftstylez]

TPA system is a joke that the eels may have been unlucky enough to allegedly be caught red handed in. That doesn't mean they are the only or the worst, rumors have swirled around other teams TPA'S for years. Hopefully the speculation is just speculation, no one knows what has really happened... I honestly cringe when the media and death riding fans try to compare it to the storm's scandal without any facts... as foran said, come out and do something or end the speculation.

At the end of the day the NRL should punish themselves for such an ambiguous shit system that has favored corporate juggernaughts like the broncos and roosters, artificially giving them an advantage every year negating the purpose of a salary cap.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

TPA system is a joke that the eels may have been unlucky enough to allegedly be caught red handed in. That doesn't mean they are the only or the worst, rumors have swirled around other teams TPA'S for years. Hopefully the speculation is just speculation, no one knows what has really happened... I honestly cringe when the media and death riding fans try to compare it to the storm's scandal without any facts... as foran said, come out and do something or end the speculation.

At the end of the day the NRL should punish themselves for such an ambiguous shit system that has favored corporate juggernaughts like the broncos and roosters, artificially giving them an advantage every year negating the purpose of a salary cap.

What is your alternative?

 

[emjaycee]

Scrap TPA's and raise the marquee player allowance to $2m per club

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Scrap TPA's and raise the marquee player allowance to $2m per club

How do you scrap TPAs? You can't stop players being paid from other sources.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

That Lyon guy from Manly is off contract. Worth it for a year or two?

 

[Dibs]

That Lyon guy from Manly is off contract. Worth it for a year or two?

I'm trying to work out if you are joking or serious

 

[Swiftstylez]

How do you scrap TPAs? You can't stop players being paid from other sources.

Yes.. just like you can't stop teams blurring the line between guaranteed and out of the goodness of a persons heart.:sarcasm: players and their managers have no idea what teams are reliable in that regard...

The whole system is a joke, you can stop a club from sourcing revenue for players but lets say they don't, outside money generated when contracted to an NRL club should count towards the clubs cap. Increase the cap to allow this if necessary.

Players earn enough to not garner any tears from me that their contract clause states that no additional money can be received from sponsorship. At the very least, no sponsorship allowed that is found to be sought after by their contracted NRL club. A player can go to nike or whoever on their own not sponsored or sought after on the club level.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

I'm trying to work out if you are joking or serious

I'm thinking of getting a job as a field cleaner after games. Could be some gold out there.

 

[Dibs]

What if they just said clubs can organise tpas. We all know they do it anyway. As long as it is with organisations not linked to the club I can't see why this would be a problem. Actually I can't see why it would be a problem if the organisation is linked to the club

 

[emjaycee]

How do you scrap TPAs? You can't stop players being paid from other sources.

What players can earn outside the salary cap:

$600,000 - Marquee Player Allowance - any or all of the Top 25 players at each club can share in payments made by club sponsors seeking to use a player's intellectual property. These may be guaranteed in the playing contract by clubs.

Source: https://www.nrl.com/nrlhq/referencecentre/salarycap/tabid/10434/default.aspx

This would effectively increase the salary cap by $2M and limit the NRL's cost to current levels.

 

[Swiftstylez]

If clubs aren't allowed to organise TPA's the NRL would struggle to have a finals series this year. I thought that it was okay as long as not guaranteed... and we all know what that means Whoever is the most commercial loves TPA's... but of course that isn't a guarantee.

So... what is the problem with the eels again? No one seems to know.

 

[emjaycee]

Here is a hypothetical for you to consider...

Let's say I am a Director of a Club and also own or control a finance lending company.
Someone comes to me looking for a business loan of $200K and I approve it and actually release to them $220K on the proviso that they contact a particular 10%'r and offer a TPA for $20K to player X.

Is this legal?
Would this happen?