Rumours and Whingers and Occasional Optimism XXIX

[Ring Gids]

Glad you aren't in charge of recruitment, happy with average i suppose it's the Parra way.

He's also probably ran more "support runs" in 8 games than we've gotten out of any fullback in a season for the past 10 years. Not to mention his goal kicking.

Put simply, you can't have stars everywhere. Gordon, at a modest salary, is more than good value, he's great value.

 

[hindy111]

A - wicks was very good for us last year and made good meters and was good in defence. he has been good again this year.

B - Alvaro has been solid and is young and most props don't get to their best till they are mid to late 20's and every footy fan knows that.

Alvaro is 23 soon.

Klemmer - RGC are younger. Boyd is 23.

Aaron Woods just turned 25 and was playing Origin last year at 24.

I agree props reach peak after 25. But Good ones are having a bigger impact on the game by 23

 

[Fanbase]

It's only the best method if your top 17 is already strong. Fans want instant success and don't have the patience to wait for talented kids to become first graders.

you are a very patient guy pau. 30 years is a long way away from instant success i would suggest.

 

[TheRam]

Blake Green. Him + Coote makes us stronger than Norman + whomever else we could afford at fullback. Green is 30 in September. We should ditch Norman and get Green for two years. Give Coote the $800k Norman thinks he's worth.

I said we should sign Coote. We already have Foran and Jennings and Radradra.

I like Norman but we already have a big money half. We need a better fullback, and I don't mean throwing $2M+ at Hayne. Coote for less than a million would suit us fine. We could afford this by replacing Norman with a half on less than $500k (incidentally how much Norman would be on right now).

Pou, I don't see the value of weakening one spine position to strengthen another. Even the great Thurston needed all the spine positions to be of the highest quality, plus 2, yes count them 2 Australian and SOO frontrowers to win a premiership on the bell.

Get a grip man. Mediocrity is not where it's at. When you have highend spine players, you release others or do whatever it takes to keep them there.

Look around mate, no one wins with backups and mediocrity.

And if you think Foran is in the same class as say Cronk, Thurston or even Hunt as a ball player game manager, then you are deluding yourself.

He would struggle without Norman. They are perfect together, and inconsistent on their own.

Now all they need to get them to another level is a top shelf fullback.

Even Hunt who is at present slightly out of form, has the Milf to pickup more then just the slack.

Spine should be quality, quality, quality and quality. Look at Melbourne mate, they lose Slater and they are so inconsistent it isn't funny. Why?

Because their spine is now relying on 2 great players and a very good fullback and an average 5/8th. Not the brilliant Slater who would turn games at the blink of an eye, so things aren't happening as they once used to. And they have a great forward pack with arguably the best frontrower in the world.


If you want to be a premiership contender, then the best spine money can buy is the key, nothing less.

 

[hineyrulz]

It's only the best method if your top 17 is already strong. Fans want instant success and don't have the patience to wait for talented kids to become first graders.

Yeah fancy wanting instant success, i mean it's only been f**king 30 years. We should be happy to not win spoons i suppose, anything more is a bonus.

 

[yy_cheng]

I couldn't of said it better myself yy cheng. You managed to say in two sentences what I crapped on about in twenty. :lol:

ha and English is my Second language (albeit 40 years ago)

 

[yy_cheng]

Blake Green. Him + Coote makes us stronger than Norman + whomever else we could afford at fullback. Green is 30 in September. We should ditch Norman and get Green for two years. Give Coote the $800k Norman thinks he's worth.

I wouldn't mind that. But Coote should be focussed on first.

 

[hineyrulz]

Look at some props and think if Wicks and terepo and Alvaro should be in this group?-
scott
tamou
RCG
Klemmer
Tolman
Graheme
Casino
Burgess
JWH
Moa
Blair
Mcguire
Vaughn
Boyd
Shillington
Ryan James
Woods
Fifita
tagatese
Latu
Myles
Packer
Less Ah mau
Napa
Kane Evans
Bromwich
Lillyman
Mautilino
Lisone

Not even close, Junior is the only one we have that woiuld get close to that group and he is leaving.

Penrith's young forward's really impressed we yesterday, more the matched the much vaunted Sharks one.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

you are a very patient guy pau. 30 years is a long way away from instant success i would suggest.

That's what happens when you spend 30 years chasing instant success.

 

[hineyrulz]

He's also probably ran more "support runs" in 8 games than we've gotten out of any fullback in a season for the past 10 years. Not to mention his goal kicking.

Put simply, you can't have stars everywhere. Gordon, at a modest salary, is more than good value, he's great value.

And how many of this support runs ended in try???? Lets play him in the second row then??? At least Maroubra will be happy lol. You can't have stars everywhere but in your spine and at fullback you need someone that is better then average.

 

[hindy111]

Matterson may debut today for the roosters. Will it be one that got away or will it be that was a smart choice.

I always found this a strange move. Id much of rathered we gave him another year in Wenty and let Kelly go.

 

[hineyrulz]

That's what happens when you spend 30 years chasing instant success.

You think we did that under Smith??? We bought players to be competitive again in 96 but he built our gun team in 2001 from the ground up.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Pou, I don't see the value of weakening one spine position to strengthen another. Even the great Thurston needed all the spine positions to be of the highest quality, plus 2, yes count them 2 Australian and SOO frontrowers to win a premiership on the bell.

Get a grip man. Mediocrity is not where it's at. When you have highend spine players, you release others or do whatever it takes to keep them there.

Look around mate, no one wins with backups and mediocrity.

And if you think Foran is in the same class as say Cronk, Thurston or even Hunt as a ball player game manager, then you are deluding yourself.

He would struggle without Norman. They are perfect together, and inconsistent on their own.

Now all they need to get them to another level is a top shelf fullback.

Even Hunt who is at present slightly out of form, has the Milf to pickup more then just the slack.

Spine should be quality, quality, quality and quality. Look at Melbourne mate, they lose Slater and they are so inconsistent it isn't funny. Why?

Because their spine is now relying on 2 great players and a very good fullback and an average 5/8th. Not the brilliant Slater who would turn games at the blink of an eye, so things aren't happening as they once used to. And they have a great forward pack with arguably the best frontrower in the world.


If you want to be a premiership contender, then the best spine money can buy is the key, nothing less.

Morgan has the easiest job of any other half in the game. He does what he does well but he isn't asked to do much. I think he's probably a bit overrated.

Anyway I think fullback is more important than the number two half at a club.

 

[TheRam]

Not even close, Junior is the only one we have that woiuld get close to that group and he is leaving.

Penrith's young forward's really impressed we yesterday, more the matched the much vaunted Sharks one.

So was I. They were brutal at times. But ultimately the one two punch of Gallen and Fifita won the day.

 

[hindy111]

I called out for us to sign coote a few years back and give him a chance which most would recall. I was mocked.

Hoppa i have to say is playing better each week. Better then he ever did at Parra.
I think there are better players but if he is picked for Origin i can understand why.

Coote is pushing his claims thou more and more.

 

[hindy111]

So was I. They were brutal at times. But ultimately the one two punch of Gallen and Fifita won the day.

We have a solid pack. I still think it is a little one dimensional and bit on the soft side.
Once Jnr goes we will have a huge bunch of soft front rowers. It is easy for fans to grow to love there teams players and more if they are a junior and came thru the system. The heart rules over the brain.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You think we did that under Smith??? We bought players to be competitive again in 96 but he built our gun team in 2001 from the ground up.

And that's why we had our best period of the past thirty years under Smith. He took over a strong roster but immediately set about developing our next generation. The 2001 squad contained not a single player who was at the club when Smith arrived in 1997. Nine members of our grand final side made their debuts under Smith.

 

[Chipmunk]

Our biggest need it front rowers.

Mannah is maybe our best and is not in the top 20 props in the game.

Wicks is just a stop gap

Terepo is a handy bench forward

Alvaro is a soft ball runner who has little impact on the defense.

Twal is the only guy coming thru.

Silly to think we do not need 1-2 props for next year!

Agreed. Front row is our biggest weakness.

 

[Fanbase]

That's what happens when you spend 30 years chasing instant success.

Bahahahaha parramatta did not sign players back then they relied on their juniors thinking they would have the same success as they did in the 80's.
learn your history pau before you go making statements as if they are fact. you know half as much as you think you know and half of that is wrong too. love it :lol:
I suppose the 30 years means little to you as you have only been learning about rugby league for the past three years yeah?

 

[Chipmunk]

You know Melbourne cheated the cap massively to keep those three together? Bromwich would be on big money but Munster wouldn't - he was a nobody this time last year, just like Coote was when the Cowboys signed him (not a nobody, but had a poor reputation due to injury history).

Radradra is probably still great value but the best clubs have plenty of guys like this. Our only players on unders would be Semi, Norman and Paulo. Two of those are off contract and one already gone.

Anyway if Melbourne know how to get value out of players then Blake Green can't be that bad a signing.

What percentage of players perform better or the same at a new club than they did at Melbourne?