Rumours and Whingers and Occasional Optimism XXIX

[hindy111]

Our biggest need it front rowers.

Mannah is maybe our best and is not in the top 20 props in the game.

Wicks is just a stop gap

Terepo is a handy bench forward

Alvaro is a soft ball runner who has little impact on the defense.

Twal is the only guy coming thru.

Silly to think we do not need 1-2 props for next year!

 

[yy_cheng]

I gotta disagree.

Excluding the final try (which I think was a no try from a fumble) the Cowboys only scored in 2 ways: penalties and 12 men.

Our attack wasn't great but it was our terrible, terrible discipline that cost us. Even when we were down to 12 the Cowboys scored because we dropped a billion balls.

A top level fullback would not have made a difference in this area. Our discipline across the park would still have been shit and we would still have given them too many chances.

Not that I'm advocating for keeping Gordon beyond this year, or anything. I just don't think a better fullback would have made a difference on Saturday.

But if we scored a few tries from those attacking raids from the likes of a Hayne, then there is a different spin on things.

I agree that we lost because of discipline and bumbling the ball, but tries at different times swings the game.

 

[hindy111]

Gordon kills the attack on our swooping run around plays cause he just can not pass a cut out ball.
Robo would scare teams as he had pace to burn and could throw the killer blow. Its just the rest of his game was not up to NRL fullback level.
Maybe BA thinks Gordon can learn or atleast improve. I think he is a good option for this year but i hope we move forward next.I wont be overly concerned thou if he does one more year and we land a good prop who can make 150mtrs every game.

 

[Noise]

Gordon is here next year. He can always move to the wing.

Thought he only signed a 1 year deal?

 

[Mickyd39]

Our biggest need it front rowers.

Mannah is maybe our best and is not in the top 20 props in the game.

Wicks is just a stop gap

Terepo is a handy bench forward

Alvaro is a soft ball runner who has little impact on the defense.

Twal is the only guy coming thru.

Silly to think we do not need 1-2 props for next year!

Supposedly Sam Moa might be free next year. I think he could be a handy pick up for next year.

 

[yy_cheng]

Thought he only signed a 1 year deal?

FFS, you've been here long enough to read Hindy's lack of grandma posts.

If you put it through Google Translate, you get

If Gordon is here next year, he can always move to the wing.

 

[TheRam]

I gotta disagree.

Excluding the final try (which I think was a no try from a fumble) the Cowboys only scored in 2 ways: penalties and 12 men.

Our attack wasn't great but it was our terrible, terrible discipline that cost us. Even when we were down to 12 the Cowboys scored because we dropped a billion balls.

A top level fullback would not have made a difference in this area. Our discipline across the park would still have been shit and we would still have given them too many chances.

Not that I'm advocating for keeping Gordon beyond this year, or anything. I just don't think a better fullback would have made a difference on Saturday.

Yes discipline did cost us that game, but if we had a fullback that made things happen that clunckiness disappears and that frustration is lessened in regards to penalties. Tries become easier. All things equal top fullback, sure we made errors, but it was still very close, until the SB, so I say we win.

The game would of had a much different flow if we had a fullback that can actually turn games. We don't have an X factor in our team and the opposition know it. So if they defend really well, whoever we play will always have a shot against us because our attack besides Norman, at times, is fairly well contained.

 

[TheRam]

Our biggest need it front rowers.

Mannah is maybe our best and is not in the top 20 props in the game.

Wicks is just a stop gap

Terepo is a handy bench forward

Alvaro is a soft ball runner who has little impact on the defense.

Twal is the only guy coming thru.

Silly to think we do not need 1-2 props for next year!

I tend to agree with you Hindy111, but that is a given, since we lost Paulo I expect the coach to be looking into that already.

Whereas fullback I heard and read that Gordon will probably be staying and if that is true then the coach may think that fullback is not a priority.

I say, they are both equal. Can you imagine what Gordon will be like in another twelve months? He should go to SL, for one last hah rah and pay cheque. I like the guy, but he is fast approaching the shit level in attack.

If we don't shore up both positions with real quality, I expect next years team to be much weaker then this years.

 

[yy_cheng]

Yes discipline did cost us that game, but if we had a fullback that made things happen that clunckiness disappears and that frustration is lessened in regards to penalties. Tries become easier. All things equal top fullback, sure we made errors, but it was still very close, until the SB, so I say we win.

The game would of had a much different flow if we had a fullback that can actually turn games. We don't have an X factor in our team and the opposition know it. So if they defend really well, whoever we play will always have a shot against us because our attack besides Norman, at times, is fairly well contained.

We do have x-factors in Jennings and Semi.

We would be in alot more doo doo without them

But the fact is we don't know how to use them properly is the issue.

I don't think I have seen Jennings pass it to Semi into space. Maybe once.

I still think put Semi outside taka or let him attack at fullback. The more he gets the ball the better.

I wouldn't be surprised if he learnt to throw cutouts and overtime kick.

Jennings in the press praised him about his positioning in defense and would even tell Jennings where to be. I am sure he has the drive to learn that. If we sign Gordon to another year and say you can teach Gutha, Semi, French and then offer a coaching gig afterwards, we might be able to grow a cheaper fullback than buying an expensive one.

 

[yy_cheng]

If we don't shore up both positions with real quality, I expect next years team to be much weaker then this years.

WHo would you go for for the 6 position assuming we can't afford Norman because we are after 2 other high profile players?

 

[Ring Gids]

I can't believe how much grief Flash is copping on here. The bloke has been safe as houses and has chimed in where necessary. He isn't in the top attacking fullbacks in the comp, but he is far from our problem given that we have strike power elsewhere across the park.

 

[TheRam]

But if we scored a few tries from those attacking raids from the likes of a Hayne, then there is a different spin on things.

I agree that we lost because of discipline and bumbling the ball, but tries at different times swings the game.

I couldn't of said it better myself yy cheng. You managed to say in two sentences what I crapped on about in twenty. :lol:

 

[Fanbase]

Our biggest need it front rowers.

Mannah is maybe our best and is not in the top 20 props in the game.

Wicks is just a stop gap

Terepo is a handy bench forward

Alvaro is a soft ball runner who has little impact on the defense.

Twal is the only guy coming thru.

Silly to think we do not need 1-2 props for next year!

this is another of your gee up post yeah? wicks has been better than solid. strong in defence and strong ball runner. alvaro is a solid young prop and given time will get better.

do you watch footy hindy111?

 

[TheRam]

We do have x-factors in Jennings and Semi.

We would be in alot more doo doo without them

But the fact is we don't know how to use them properly is the issue.

I don't think I have seen Jennings pass it to Semi into space. Maybe once.

I still think put Semi outside taka or let him attack at fullback. The more he gets the ball the better.

I wouldn't be surprised if he learnt to throw cutouts and overtime kick.

Jennings in the press praised him about his positioning in defense and would even tell Jennings where to be. I am sure he has the drive to learn that. If we sign Gordon to another year and say you can teach Gutha, Semi, French and then offer a coaching gig afterwards, we might be able to grow a cheaper fullback than buying an expensive one.

As good as they both are neither are positions that make things happen from the spine.

In other words they can rarely command the ball and set plays up. They both wait for the ball to come to them. That is why the spine players are considered the most important. We used to have two X factors in Hayne and Sandow. Even though Sandow was a huge liability in defense he was definitely an X factor in attack.

That is why he would poll so highly in the Daily M's.

We use them poorly because our fullbacks name isn't Coote...or any of the other top ten fullbacks out there.

Like I said earlier. If Coote gets signed by any other team for around $600k, then we missed a real golden opportunity to secure a top line fullback on what I consider unders.

Losing Paulo and not re-signing Gordon, would give us enough money to sign Coote on that kind of coin.

 

[Fanbase]

maybe we might sign klemmer

 

[TheRam]

I can't believe how much grief Flash is copping on here. The bloke has been safe as houses and has chimed in where necessary. He isn't in the top attacking fullbacks in the comp, but he is far from our problem given that we have strike power elsewhere across the park.

Against the better teams he needs to be able to contribute in attack otherwise you will get Saturdays result more times then not. It is that simple.

Take Coote out of that team and bring in a bottom four quality fullback and half of their attacking raid options disappear and therefore most of the top six teams would have a 50-50 chance of beating them if not better.

That is why. Defensively and positionally Gordon gets top marks.

 

[Ring Gids]

And then Coote succumbs to yet another injury and we heap shit in our recruitment.

Last year was the first full season Coote has played since his debut season. Big risk imo.

 

[TheRam]

WHo would you go for for the 6 position assuming we can't afford Norman because we are after 2 other high profile players?

I expect us to keep him so I haven't really thought about it. But off the top of my head Benji maybe an option at around 450k for a year of two.

But who is available, do you know?

 

[hineyrulz]

I can't believe how much grief Flash is copping on here. The bloke has been safe as houses and has chimed in where necessary. He isn't in the top attacking fullbacks in the comp, but he is far from our problem given that we have strike power elsewhere across the park.

Strike power elsewhere across the park that has struggled to score points besides against a woeful Canberra team, he has been great defensively and is a tough little bugger but offers absolutely zero in attack. In fact he's been a hand break in our attacking movements all season.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

WHo would you go for for the 6 position assuming we can't afford Norman because we are after 2 other high profile players?

Blake Green. Him + Coote makes us stronger than Norman + whomever else we could afford at fullback. Green is 30 in September. We should ditch Norman and get Green for two years. Give Coote the $800k Norman thinks he's worth.