Rumours and Whingers and Occasional Optimism XXIX

[hindy111]

Well thats my friday night taken care of

 

[Gronk]

Yeah Josh has NEVER printed any click bait himself.

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Wayne Bennett homophobe? James Roberts Speed on Oxford St? Corey Norman on the $&@#ing phone? Really? This is what we focus on?

 

[Gary Gutful]

The irony is delicious.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

It's more than was necessary, but he was never going to get away without a suspension. He was on a warning for previous marginal behaviour involving alcohol and women. Can you imagine what would happen if they said 'fair enough, you're one of the victims here' and he trots out and does something even dumber?

I just don't believe the NRL have the right to punish a player for getting drunk and carrying on like a dickhead in a private residence, assuming no laws were broken, which appears to be the case. And he may well go and do something stupid in future, it seems likely, but deal with it if and when it happens. I agree some action was necessary, if only to placate the whingers.

I wouldn't want to have a drink with the bloke, but he can be a dickhead elsewhere all he likes. None of my business.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Your first quote is not directly linked to your second. The second doesn't follow just because of the first...

The NRL has no stated rules against the players using the phones, but they are not allowed to pass on information. As the article stated:



Now the only reason this is a story is because the AFL do have laws against using phones during games, and one of their players used his phone during one of the pre-season games in the last week/s.
So to see Norman doing the same raises questions as to whether he is allowed to.

Personally I think the NRL probably should have a similar rule. But at the same time I'm a bit ambivalent towards players giving information about the game - I realize it screws up the gambling trade, but if it helps sport break free from being ruled by the punt it might not be a bad thing...

I think you've misinterpreted my point (I agree with your final point). My central point is that the NRL should have processes/rules to cover situations like this (e.g. in emergencies, a match / NRL official is informed of the communication when/before it is made). My initial post simply stated that the journalists question was a reasonable one....I didn't say that Corey was doing anything wrong.


The problem with allowing the use of phones during the game is partly one of perception, and partly to protect the innocent should a subsequent scandal emerge. Let's say in a few months time a betting scandal emerges at Club X (no, not the adult shop). Then people recall that the say Player Y on the phone at half time in earlier games (either on TV or whatever). Someone puts 2 + 2 together and gets -4, and the player then has to explain wtf he was doing.


RE the 2 quotes. In between them, another poster said words to the effect of 'Norman was out of the game, so what did it matter?'

 

[Gary Gutful]

It isn't just about placating whingers, Loser. Players are role models and that footage (and the footage of other f**kwits) does enormous damage to rugby league's image.

It is shit form that someone videoed him but he shouldn't have been dry rooting pooches and should be more careful about who he associates with.

The punishment was fair.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

It isn't just about placating whingers, Loser. Players are role models and that footage (and the footage of other f**kwits) does enormous damage to rugby league's image.

It is shit form that someone videoed him but he shouldn't have been dry rooting pooches and should be more careful about who he associates with.

The punishment was fair.

But what rules has he broken? If he'd recorded himself and stuck it on Facebook or whatever then yeah, get the big stick out. He might be a role model to some, and we might want him to behave differently, but you can't just punish someone because they don't fit your image of what you'd like them to be.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

I just want to see the rule that states that carrying on like a pork chop and simulating sex with a poodle in a private residence is explicitly forbidden.

 

[yy_cheng]

He should've been pissing in his mouth instead.

 

[Gary Gutful]

But what rules has he broken? If he'd recorded himself and stuck it on Facebook or whatever then yeah, get the big stick out. He might be a role model to some, and we might want him to behave differently, but you can't just punish someone because they don't fit your image of what you'd like them to be.

Yes you can.

If he is damaging their reputation (which he is) then they have every right to take action which will prevent that from happening in the future. They have a duty to grow the game of rugby league and ensure it remains prosperous.

Do you not accept that these f**kwits are tarnishing leagues image?

 

[El Diablo]

I just want to see the rule that states that carrying on like a pork chop and simulating sex with a poodle in a private residence is explicitly forbidden.

what if they then choose an Alsatian or some other animal?

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Yes you can.

If he is damaging their reputation (which he is) then they have every right to take action which will prevent that from happening in the future. They have a duty to grow the game of rugby league and ensure it remains prosperous.

Do you not accept that these f**kwits are tarnishing leagues image?

It definitely does tarnish league's image. But whoever recorded it and sold it to the media is mostly to blame IMO.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

what if they then choose an Alsatian or some other animal?

Then they're good to go, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[El Diablo]

the media should have told him to get f**ked

i've seen reports before where they refused to buy certain things

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I just don't believe the NRL have the right to punish a player for getting drunk and carrying on like a dickhead in a private residence, assuming no laws were broken, which appears to be the case. And he may well go and do something stupid in future, it seems likely, but deal with it if and when it happens. I agree some action was necessary, if only to placate the whingers.

I wouldn't want to have a drink with the bloke, but he can be a dickhead elsewhere all he likes. None of my business.

Yeh, I don't think he needed a large penalty, but players agree in advance to be bound by the NRL's Code of Conduct, which is not restricted to illegal acts. I don't think there's much question about the NRL's right to punish a player in these circumstances.

General Prohibition
12. No Club or person bound by this Code shall:

(1) Engage in any conduct that is detrimental to;
(2) Bring into disrepute;
(3) Act in a manner inconsistent with;
(4) Act in a manner contrary to; or
(5) Act in a manner prejudicial to;

the best interests, image or welfare of the NRL, the NRL Competition, the
National Youth Competition, the Related Competitions, the Representative
Competitions, the Clubs or the Game.

General Duty ? A Positive Obligation
13. Every Club and every person bound by this Code shall, so far as practicable, do
all things reasonably necessary to promote the best interests, image and welfare
of the NRL, the NRL Competition, the National Youth Competition, the Related
Competitions, the Representative Competitions, the Clubs and the Game.

Public Confidence Not to be Impaired
14. (1) No Club or person bound by this Code shall engage in any conduct that
might impair public confidence in the NRL, the NRL Competition, the
National Youth Competition, the Related Competitions, the Representative
Competitions, the Clubs or the Game.

(2) No Club or person bound by this Code shall engage in any conduct that
might impair public confidence in the honesty or integrity of an officer or
employee of the NRL (including the Chief Executive Officer and the
Salary Cap Auditor), Club Officials, Match Officials or Players.

http://www.rugbyleague.com.au/nrl/nrl_code_of_conduct.pdf

 

[Gary Gutful]

It definitely does tarnish league's image. But whoever recorded it and sold it to the media is mostly to blame IMO.

If he doesn't carry on like a f**kwit and put himself in that position then it doesn't happen, does it?

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Yeh, I don't think he needed a large penalty, but players agree in advance to be bound by the NRL's Code of Conduct, which is not restricted to illegal acts. I don't think there's much question about the NRL's right to punish a player in these circumstances.



http://www.rugbyleague.com.au/nrl/nrl_code_of_conduct.pdf

Thanks Baz, that seems pretty clear. The matter of how they came by that evidence is what irks me.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Yeh, I don't think he needed a large penalty, but players agree in advance to be bound by the NRL's Code of Conduct, which is not restricted to illegal acts. I don't think there's much question about the NRL's right to punish a player in these circumstances.



http://www.rugbyleague.com.au/nrl/nrl_code_of_conduct.pdf

Clause 15 (b) If one is caught dry humping a dog (alsations excluded) then one must accept that one might not be wearing one's colours for a minimum of 8 weeks.

 

[strider]

Yeh, I don't think he needed a large penalty, but players agree in advance to be bound by the NRL's Code of Conduct, which is not restricted to illegal acts. I don't think there's much question about the NRL's right to punish a player in these circumstances.



http://www.rugbyleague.com.au/nrl/nrl_code_of_conduct.pdf

most open ended shit ever written!!!!


its a matter of opinion as to whether dry rooting poodles is bringing anything into disrepute

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

If he doesn't carry on like a f**kwit and put himself in that position then it doesn't happen, does it?

Reminds me of the that philosophical question about a tree falling in a forest.

But no, he played an integral part.