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Sack Griffin

blacksafake

blacksafake

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Mojo

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blacksafake said:
We even give lectures on it.🙄
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I don't think they've treated him like trash at all. He has a handsomely remunerated contract with a finite term. He knows very well his performance is measured week by week like all NRL coaches. His results haven't been good. His contract was previously extended despite poor results. The club was honest in informing him that they were looking at recruiting a new coach. He was told he could reapply. If his results improved dramatically he'd, most likely, be the pea in the pod.

What are the alternatives: (i) summarily terminate his contract, (ii) extend his contract again right now, despite even worse results, or (iii) scout around for his replacement behind his back?
 
TruSaint

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hewi said:
www.theroar.com.au

Griffin is not an animal, he is a human being and Dragons should start treating their coach like one

Professional sport can be a tough business, yet the Dragons' treatment of Anthony Griffin has been deplorable.
www.theroar.com.au

Cant disagree with his sentiment. Amateur hour in the asylum yet again. We get a gold medal for it.
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This article is just pure clickbait.

How many coaches have been sacked with better win ratios ? Plenty.

The board are a farce, and need to be held accountable, but Hook has been given enough time.
 
Dragon David

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hewi said:
www.theroar.com.au

Griffin is not an animal, he is a human being and Dragons should start treating their coach like one

Professional sport can be a tough business, yet the Dragons' treatment of Anthony Griffin has been deplorable.
www.theroar.com.au

Cant disagree with his sentiment. Amateur hour in the asylum yet again. We get a gold medal for it.
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I've virtually said something to this effect elsewhere.
I am really ashamed as to how all this has panned out and where it is headed (uncertainty). I don't disagree about Hook needing to go, but it's the way that our Board has gone about it makes me riled up and angry.

The new coach, if of course one is appointed, will have nightmares before every game wondering what the Board will be thinking if the team loses a couple in a row etc. I wouldn't want the job because of this Board. Success and happy with work comes to people who work in a healthy and well managed organisation. Stress is a killer and soul destroyer which no-one wants. So good luck Board with getting the "right" man for the job.
 
RedV Resurgence

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Mojo said:
I don't think they've treated him like trash at all. He has a handsomely remunerated contract with a finite term. He knows very well his performance is measured week by week like all NRL coaches. His results haven't been good. His contract was previously extended despite poor results. The club was honest in informing him that they were looking at recruiting a new coach. He was told he could reapply. If his results improved dramatically he'd, most likely, be the pea in the pod.

What are the alternatives: (i) summarily terminate his contract, (ii) extend his contract again right now, despite even worse results, or (iii) scout around for his replacement behind his back?
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Yes Mojo, I don't think the Board told Griffin:
1. To select older players out of form in preference to young players.
2. Recruit Woods and others that have bot worked.
3. Play a brand of football that is solely focussed on minimising mistakes,
4. Have players on the bench until the very last minutes of a match.
5. Not been able to read when your forwards are gassed and not making changes.
6. Playing one out running - 5 hit-ups and a kick.
7. Continually have a compressed defence and watching teams shift wide to get around our wingers.


Sure there is more, but you get the drift.
 
Slippery Morris

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Did the Sharks get this much grief when they flicked Morris who had much less time than Hook as coach and had his team in the finals? Of course not, because everything the Sharks do is brilliant and anything Saints do similar is a shambles. I think Morris didn't see it coming as much as Hook has and the Saints have more justification than the Sharks did. Saints have been up front from the start, I think Hunt is making it worse than it is with his threats.

Looking at the Sharks now, they made the right call, what is not to say the Saints won't be in a better position.
 
RedVee_8

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I half expect Hook to get another 12 or 24 month contract.

I always wonder why not extends coach past his contracts expiry date is always regarded as a sacking. Just more NRL soap opera?
 
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smi962

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redv13 said:
Agree 100%. Griffin will stay and continue to do his job if Saints don’t step in. People on here are in fairy land if they think by losing to Canberra or whoever then he quits. Can’t see it happening. Saints need to grow a set and terminate him asap coz he ain’t walking on his own
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Ok but who do we have lined up? Doubt anyone at this stage, dragons are going to go through the longest recruitment process in NRL history to provide the optics that they have learnt from their past nepotistic practices. They have even reached out to Billy slater in Melbourne, what a thorough process they are undertaking.
 
justadragon

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He is not the first or last coach this has happened to. It even happened to Bennett at the Broncos. They all know what they are in for when they sign on the dotted line. In that article it made it sound as though Griffin was so hard done by, guess what people welcome to the real world and see what happens when you dont perform at your job.
 
Carrera28

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Ultimately Griffin has had multiple years and a strong influence on recruitment and culture and in that time he has not been able to attract star players, create a winning culture, materially improve position on the ladder or create a team that performs consistently for 80 minutes.

The simple fact is the Dragons are not the Sharks or the Knights we are a proper sandstone club with history and we are one of the few, I would say only, Sydney clubs that acts with integrity and which does not sacrifice its long term brand value to the alter of short term performance. Look at Parramatta's run from its last premiership to now to see what happens when a club makes knee jerk reactions.

Poor decisions are what got us to the bottom half of the ladder and rushed ill considered decisions to buy the Sharks discards like Flanagan the cheat or others of his ilk will only further damage the brand and further ruin club culture at the later of short term success. Winning is momentary class is lasting.

Ultimately our board is acting openly and with integrity. Griffin is not a permanent employee he is a contractor with a fixed term contract who is remunerated annually into high six figures. He has no guarantee of employment beyond 2023 and is expected to perform professionally for the entire tenure of his contract. The club has not underpaid him with a future carrot or promised long term deals or in any way lead him on.

However, ultimately in a competitive based business the club is considering whether Griffin is worth a new contract given we are still in the bottom half of the ladder. The board has warned him that it is considering other candidates and has asked him to present to the board his vision for the future. Again not an unreasonable position, he has been warned with time to prepare that he will face a competitive process in order to receive a new contract and that he needs to present a new vision or strategy.

That is open and honest communication with a key employee who is not being surprised or having strategic decisions made behind his back. The criticism is coming because most other clubs do it in an underhanded fashion, sack coaches, make massive payouts and improvement is at best a 50/50 proposition and the press vultures like Kent and co are not used to a board acting fairly, openly and with integrity.

Instead of the normal football practice of publicly stating the board has confidence in the coach and then sacking him unawares after saying this multiple times our board has openly warned Griffin personally that it is unhappy with team performance and would like him to present a new strategy. Note they did this to him personally with time to prepare not through the usual press announcements or other faux processes.

Finally in all likelihood the press scrutiny has come about because it has been leaked by Griffin or his management so it is a bit cute to complain about press scrutiny when his entourage is likely the ones that made the press aware of it.

Ultimately somewhat belatedly our board has recognised that our current direction is not working and they working towards making a considered and strategic decision not simply a kneejerk one.

Whilst I am very critical of the board in terms of appointing and then extending Griffin, I can appreciate it was a desperate decision based on Wyane Bennet's acceptance of the head coach position on a long term deal which he reneged on

It is split milk and good leadership is about moving past problems and solving them and our board is doing that with integrity and planning to try and find the best available candidate in a considered and methodical manner.

Griffin can be unhappy, in fact as a leader in a competition based business I would be disappointed if he was not he is not a position to complain that he is being treated unfairly, being undermined or financially prejudiced. Ultimately he can either improve culture and make the team competitive and present a compelling strategic plan to the board (like any leader in business needs to do) or he will not receive a new contract.
 
Dragonssupporter

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Just my 2 cents worth- its common knowledge that there's a split in the playing group and things aren't working. So it seems pointless to let this go through to the end of the season just because you don't want to sack a coach. I thought we were here to win, not keep the coach happy. I hate seeing the players decide who is going to coach them, but the problem already exists, so why sit back and let it fester. We need someone strong like a Hasler to come in and lay down the law. When i spoke to Hook at one of the earleir fan days, to me he seemed all airy fairy about it, like it'll come good-just wait and see.Well you know what-ive waited long enough. Im sick of the excuses, the "were in a rebuilding stage", and " you wait and see". I want results now, and i want to see a team committed to winning, not waiting on the field after yet another loss and not wanting to face the supporters because once again you dealt up total shit on all your overblown wages. I pay a lot of money to see home games, and i expect to see a team who wants to win as much as i want them to win. Time for a new coach-and i mean now
 
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saintmar

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RedV Resurgence said:
Yes Mojo, I don't think the Board told Griffin:
1. To select older players out of form in preference to young players.
2. Recruit Woods and others that have bot worked.
3. Play a brand of football that is solely focussed on minimising mistakes,
4. Have players on the bench until the very last minutes of a match.
5. Not been able to read when your forwards are gassed and not making changes.
6. Playing one out running - 5 hit-ups and a kick.
7. Continually have a compressed defence and watching teams shift wide to get around our wingers.


Sure there is more, but you get the drift.
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SPOT ON
 
SnowDragon

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Dragon David said:
I've virtually said something to this effect elsewhere.
I am really ashamed as to how all this has panned out and where it is headed (uncertainty). I don't disagree about Hook needing to go, but it's the way that our Board has gone about it makes me riled up and angry.

The new coach, if of course one is appointed, will have nightmares before every game wondering what the Board will be thinking if the team loses a couple in a row etc. I wouldn't want the job because of this Board. Success and happy with work comes to people who work in a healthy and well managed organisation. Stress is a killer and soul destroyer which no-one wants. So good luck Board with getting the "right" man for the job.
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I think the article was BS

the club May be divided and leak like a sieve, but they extended hook early last year, and have made the decision to be open and honest with him this year. Personally I’d appreciate that. The media just want to spin everything and pile shit on clubs like ours, while pandering to clubs like the roosters. makes me sick 🤢

new coach has a real opportunity to turn us around. People say our roster is broken, but I disagree. We have a young talented creative spine, a great batch of outside backs just coming into their own, and a mix of forwards. Small tweaks and a good game plan and we are top 8 into top 4 over the next few season
 
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twinkletoes

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I don't want to be too melodramatic but I think the pending decision on the next coach is the most important decision in the JV's history...the wrong decision will jeopardise the future of the club for years to come, the right decision will untap the undoubted potential and get us back to being premiership contenders....its all in the Boards hands
 
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