Sack Griffin

[Illusion]

For me , we can go backwards and forwards on this , but the players mentioned and others weren't given a fair go as others in the team .....

 

[Crush]

It’s easy to be glib about these things.

But the best performing teams in the world across the various codes all use sports psychologists and some form of mindfulness. The world of sport has moved on from the amateur days of training a couple of days a week and doing a road run for fitness. In the NRL, the physicality of the modern player and their performance level is a testament to the move into elite training.

As a club, we can be a bunch of cranky old men who live off the old glory days, or we can accept that the world is changing, and we need to adapt to succeed.

One of those paths leads to the death of the club.

Excellent post, the days of eat some cement and harden up you cream puff are so far in the past its ridiculous.
Meditation will increase recovery time, enhance endurance, help with overall stress reduction. And these young blokes are getting taught mindfulness from primary school these days, they're all very familiar with it.

Its clear the football team needs leadership and inspiration. From what I've heard, Hooks pre-game and halftime pep talks are just growling expletives at the players telling them to avago.

Young blokes aren't responding to that shit these days, times have changed from the Tommy Raudonikis face slapping era.

 

[SEAT 1A]

The club can't sit on their hands anymore.

It's simple pay out Hook tomorrow, give Flanno what he want's regardless of Young Jr plans.

If the club doesn't have a new coach next year, they don't give stuff of the players, sponsors and fans.

 

[OneEyedDragon]

Wait, wait, apparently a conspiracy theory has been proposed.

House of Dragons: Hook set to live up to name with everyone around him ready to strike

'Game of Thrones' told the tale of the fictional kingdom of Westeros, where powerful royal families connived, plotted and backstabbed amongst themselves to improve…

www.theroar.com.au

 

[Old Timer]

Wait, wait, apparently a conspiracy theory has been proposed.

House of Dragons: Hook set to live up to name with everyone around him ready to strike

'Game of Thrones' told the tale of the fictional kingdom of Westeros, where powerful royal families connived, plotted and backstabbed amongst themselves to improve…

www.theroar.com.au

Couldn’t have written it better myself

 

[Old Timer]

Gos’ statements are the ones that have tipped me completely.

Regardless of the era, how can you say that he has acted poorly? I don’t think there’s anyone from any era who would argue that the health of your wife or child is less important than a footy game.

And he didn’t whinge. He went and worked hard in Reserve grade - his form was good enough to warrant his inclusion in the NSW cup team of the year. Then blacklisted.

Now I don’t think he’s a great player. Pretty average journey man really. But he wasn’t even included in the 22. Surely he had a case to be ahead of some of the blokes who were putting in poor performances every week.

Building toughness into young men is great. But punishing someone for supporting his wife and child? That’s not the kind of toughness that I want at my club.

The events up to him standing down from selection are obviously facts.

The rest is merely his take on how it all evolved / unwound after that.

Is there anything to substantiate that Hook held a grudge for the rest of the season or is that just a loose linking is done dots because it looks about right?

Of course the “well ge got picked on the reserve grade team of the year” is trotted out well how many players at 28 years of age tgat did that then had consistent 1st grade football careers?

Maybe Hook did have the shits and maybe he might have exited him for a week or 2 but then again maybe Gos was never good enough to earn a spot and the fact that others above played poorly is no pre requisite to upgrade your own ability or downgrade the lack thereof.

 

[SBD82]

The events up to him standing down from selection are obviously facts.

The rest is merely his take on how it all evolved / unwound after that.

Is there anything to substantiate that Hook held a grudge for the rest of the season or is that just a loose linking is done dots because it looks about right?

Of course the “well ge got picked on the reserve grade team of the year” is trotted out well how many players at 28 years of age tgat did that then had consistent 1st grade football careers?

Maybe Hook did have the shits and maybe he might have exited him for a week or 2 but then again maybe Gos was never good enough to earn a spot and the fact that others above played poorly is no pre requisite to upgrade your own ability or downgrade the lack thereof.

I find it unbelievable that he wasn’t in our top 22 some weeks. I also think the story that he told is the most plausible.

 

[Old Timer]

I find it unbelievable that he wasn’t in our top 22 some weeks. I also think the story that he told is the most plausible.

There are journeymen and in contrast there are players that have played for multiple clubs.

Those of the 1st persuasion often think there are spurious reasons why they don't get picked and some fans also think that way but most coaches actually get most players right and only the very good ones prove to be the exception.

 

[Qdf]

@SBD82
I must be one of those old cranky men you were referring to above. However , I back Old Timer's comments & his rationale. Unlike yourself he passionately expresses his point of view , backs it up & is not condescending. In summary I view OT's comments as Players should be accepting responsibility for their actions / abilities rather than allowing everything to be laid at the feet of the Coach.
There is not a genuine Leader among the Group obviously because these issues should have been addressed throughout the Season :
Generally there was a lack of cohesion throughout games.
Effort from some was not supported by others.
Teamwork rarely existed.

Forwards could not gain any momentum.
Uniform Backline movements were stuttered.
Combinations were lacking.
Kicking in general play was terrible.
Error counts were the worst in years.
Defence was atrocious.

I think that nails it !

Well the Board picked the coach. The coach picked those players to implement his plan to win games.
Griffin picked all qld hasbeens , then proceeded to give them game time no matter how they played.
McCullough , Norman, McGuire, Hunt at 7. Really the players Griffin bought to the Club along with Woods & Burgess. They have all past their prime,well and truly. He's responsible for the team that runs on every week. If they don't perform that is the problem of the person that selected them. He is the one accountable.
You can't buy an old Holden
& expect it to perform like a new Ferrari.

 

[SBD82]

There are journeymen and in contrast there are players that have played for multiple clubs.

Those of the 1st persuasion often think there are spurious reasons why they don't get picked and some fans also think that way but most coaches actually get most players right and only the very good ones prove to be the exception.

You’re talking about the same bloke who kept selecting McCullough and Woods.

 

[Crush]

You’re talking about the same bloke who kept selecting McCullough and Woods.

And the same coach who started Mbye in the spine for most of the season.
That in itself is just so short sighted. I remember when he signed people said he’d just be a 14, yeah right.
Mbye this season.
Fullback 1 x 8 games
Hooker 9 x 5 games
Centre 3 x 3 games
Bench 14 x 6 games

And we missed the finals….and Sloan and Sullivan barely played first grade…..and we still don’t know what Sloan and Sullivan are really capable of…..
But hey, Mbye was so safe under that high ball!

 

[Old Timer]

You’re talking about the same bloke who kept selecting McCullough and Woods.

That's correct he did do that and what is that Gos did that meant he should have been picked ahead of them?

 

[BLM01]

Denied it himself !

This week Yes.. next week I said
The week after that he may be announced as Dragons coach before training commences on Nov 7

 

[Qdf]

That's correct he did do that and what is that Gos did that meant he should have been picked ahead of them?

Well he (Jack Gosweiski ) must have achieved something in NSW CUP.
HE was picked in the "Team of the Year". After all.

 

[SBD82]

That's correct he did do that and what is that Gos did that meant he should have been picked ahead of them?

I didn’t say that.

I’m challenging your support of Griffin’s acumen as a team selector.

 

[Jeremy Dragon]

That's correct he did do that and what is that Gos did that meant he should have been picked ahead of them?

Gosiewski was the sole Dragon to be named in The Knock-On Effect Team of the Year for 2022, after the second-rower was heavily involved in their best performances for the year.

The former Sea Eagle played 16 NSW Cup matches for the Dragons and finished the season alongside Mounties’ Dane Aukafolau with nine tries, the most by any back-rower. Eight of those tries came in Dragons victories, with the Red V managing nine wins in total.


Gosiewski also produced two try assists, six line-breaks, 40 tackle busts, 18 offloads, and averaged 104 run metres and 20.7 tackles (90.7 percent efficiency) per game

 

[Crush]

Gosiewski was the sole Dragon to be named in The Knock-On Effect Team of the Year for 2022, after the second-rower was heavily involved in their best performances for the year.

The former Sea Eagle played 16 NSW Cup matches for the Dragons and finished the season alongside Mounties’ Dane Aukafolau with nine tries, the most by any back-rower. Eight of those tries came in Dragons victories, with the Red V managing nine wins in total.


Gosiewski also produced two try assists, six line-breaks, 40 tackle busts, 18 offloads, and averaged 104 run metres and 20.7 tackles (90.7 percent efficiency) per game

But couldnt get a run in our 22 behind plodders like woods...

 

[Dragon David]

Ben Creagh now a Board member says about Hook -

“From the outside looking in, it seems he has a good relationship with the senior players at the club, a good connection.

“He’s got another year, another pre-season developing some of that younger talent at the Dragons and that can only be another good thing. I look forward to seeing how the team shapes up heading into trials and round one next year.”

 

[Gomarchin]

Ben Creagh now a Board member says about Hook -

“From the outside looking in, it seems he has a good relationship with the senior players at the club, a good connection.

“He’s got another year, another pre-season developing some of that younger talent at the Dragons and that can only be another good thing. I look forward to seeing how the team shapes up heading into trials and round one next year.”

What is he expected to say. I hope I'm wrong but it's more of the same....

 

[Old Timer]

Gosiewski was the sole Dragon to be named in The Knock-On Effect Team of the Year for 2022, after the second-rower was heavily involved in their best performances for the year.

The former Sea Eagle played 16 NSW Cup matches for the Dragons and finished the season alongside Mounties’ Dane Aukafolau with nine tries, the most by any back-rower. Eight of those tries came in Dragons victories, with the Red V managing nine wins in total.


Gosiewski also produced two try assists, six line-breaks, 40 tackle busts, 18 offloads, and averaged 104 run metres and 20.7 tackles (90.7 percent efficiency) per game

They conceded 621 points so obviously it’s not too hard to make metres in that comp as tackling is almost negligible.

The old chestnut if what they did in reserve grade system gets trotted out by all means give me the stats of his 1st grade games over his career.

Sure there were plodders ahead of him but he himself is also a proven 1st grade plodder.