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[Objective View]

Read this well as it is your last chance!! I agree Mary is 6/10. Mad Rabbit Madge is 4/10. Hasler is 6.5/10. But... We need a coach rated 8.5 or higher. My point was simply do not replace Mary with Mad Madge or Hasler. They are not improvememts.

Lol, so even according to your own assessments, 6.5 is not an improvement on 6.

Thanks Mary.

Straight Shooter

 

[Life's Good]

Read this well as it is your last chance!! I agree Mary is 6/10. Mad Rabbit Madge is 4/10. Hasler is 6.5/10. But... We need a coach rated 8.5 or higher. My point was simply do not replace Mary with Mad Madge or Hasler. They are not improvememts.

Ok Rainman. If Mary is a 6, Hasler is 6.5 & Madge is a 4 then who would you replace Mary with???

 

[thebigredv]

Ok Rainman. If Mary is a 6, Hasler is 6.5 & Madge is a 4 then who would you replace Mary with???

QANTAS

Qantas never crashed.

 

[Life's Good]

QANTAS

Qantas never crashed.

Winner!

 

[mickeylane]

So you are actually satisfied with that??
Accepting mediocrity...it's a disease sweeping slowly through the joint from club to fans.
Sorry if I seem a tad OV-esque...


T.

Atm there is no mediocrity - talk to me in September atm no one has a f**king argument

 

[Old Timer]

Atm there is no mediocrity - talk to me in September atm no one has a f**king argument

mickeylane
There is plenty of mediocrity
1. Team selection
2. Use of the bench
3. No of tries scored by wingers
4. Kicking game by the halfback
5. RHS outside backs defensive strategy

Just because we have strung together a couple of wins does not mean we are not severely deficient in these areas.

We have not picked the best potential team from round 1.
We have not dropped poorly performing players.
We have not used the bench wisely especially in the game against the Eels
We are not scoring tries on our wings which is the area you would expect to be scoring but have had some scored against there.
We do not have a half that is a good let alone a great tactical kicker.
We have been exposed in every game on the RHS and we have done nothing about fixing the issue.

Just because a side is winning does not mean it can't be critically analysed or improved.
It should not take losses to be the catalyst for improvement because improvement may very well prevent the losses in the first place.
Why do you think we won 11 premierships in a row?
Simple we were ruthless and played no favourites.

 

[to_ddeath]

Atm there is no mediocrity - talk to me in September atm no one has a f**king argument

You can't argue it's been a common thread for a while now regardless of the past month.
Real tough games coming up in April..let's see where we are at in a month or so from now.

 

[Dragonslayer]

mickeylane
There is plenty of mediocrity
1. Team selection
2. Use of the bench
3. No of tries scored by wingers
4. Kicking game by the halfback
5. RHS outside backs defensive strategy

Just because we have strung together a couple of wins does not mean we are not severely deficient in these areas.

We have not picked the best potential team from round 1.
We have not dropped poorly performing players.
We have not used the bench wisely especially in the game against the Eels
We are not scoring tries on our wings which is the area you would expect to be scoring but have had some scored against there.
We do not have a half that is a good let alone a great tactical kicker.
We have been exposed in every game on the RHS and we have done nothing about fixing the issue.

Just because a side is winning does not mean it can't be critically analysed or improved.
It should not take losses to be the catalyst for improvement because improvement may very well prevent the losses in the first place.
Why do you think we won 11 premierships in a row?
Simple we were ruthless and played no favourites.

Use of the bench and RH defense are the greatest concerns that the coach needs to address.
McGregor just appears to get lost in the moment rather than strategic plan on how to best utilise his players. I think it's called game watching and it will come back to bite him big time if injuries, suspensions or rep football hits. Game time = fitness, timing and carrying out moves and structures.
The RH defense is a train wreck waiting to happen. Some say its Aitkens fault (which I believe it is because he did the same in the 4 Nations) and some say it s McDonalds. In any case what is being done at training to address this, seeing it happens every week, obviously very little. If, on the other hand it has been addressed at training and the player continues to do t, then the coach needs to hook that player for total disregard of the coaches instructions.
Yes we've had a few good wins and nothing can take that away from the boys, however, it wouldn't be long before what I mentioned above really comes back to bite us badly.
So yeah call it mediocrity or call it inability it doesn't matter it just shows the lack of depth our coach has.

 

[slippery5]

QANTAS

Qantas never crashed.

This should be the end of this post !!!!!! Thank you linesman thank you ball boys

 

[GC Dragon]

Use of the bench and RH defense are the greatest concerns that the coach needs to address.
McGregor just appears to get lost in the moment rather than strategic plan on how to best utilise his players. I think it's called game watching and it will come back to bite him big time if injuries, suspensions or rep football hits. Game time = fitness, timing and carrying out moves and structures.
The RH defense is a train wreck waiting to happen. Some say its Aitkens fault (which I believe it is because he did the same in the 4 Nations) and some say it s McDonalds. In any case what is being done at training to address this, seeing it happens every week, obviously very little. If, on the other hand it has been addressed at training and the player continues to do t, then the coach needs to hook that player for total disregard of the coaches instructions.
Yes we've had a few good wins and nothing can take that away from the boys, however, it wouldn't be long before what I mentioned above really comes back to bite us badly.
So yeah call it mediocrity or call it inability it doesn't matter it just shows the lack of depth our coach has.

I think our poor RHD is a mixture of our defensive style ( Compressed Style ) and the personal on our right side . Our LHS side is Widdop , Thompson , Lafai and Nighty . If you listen to them on the field Thompson controls that side and is very vocal and they seem to know each other and react better to what unfolds . They also defend as a unit .

The RHS is McCrone, Frizzel , Aitken and McDonald . Nobody knows what the other is doing and there is little or no talk on that side . They defend more as individuals . And with Aitken as with his attack he is single minded and has a bull at a gate attitude . McDonald has no chance because its impossible for him to know who and when Aitken is going to go at .

This is backed up by listening to Dugan at the back when the opposition start to attack our RHD he go's into vocal overdrive . I have no doubt part of the reason some within the club see Dugan as our right centre going forward is because he would make that side 100% better . Next year a right side of Hunt, Frizzel, Dugan and McDonald would be far superior defensively with Dugan doing what Thompson does on the left .

Trouble is we need Dugan at fullback because when we lose him from the back the wheels will really fall off in defence . What we really need is two Dugan's . One at fullback and one at right centre . And to think that the club is stuffing around re-signing him it is insanity . No matter who we bring to the club next season that bloke is not replaceable . If you have any doubts simply go watch the team play .

 

[MilanDragon]

mickeylane
There is plenty of mediocrity
1. Team selection
2. Use of the bench
3. No of tries scored by wingers
4. Kicking game by the halfback
5. RHS outside backs defensive strategy

Just because we have strung together a couple of wins does not mean we are not severely deficient in these areas.

We have not picked the best potential team from round 1.
We have not dropped poorly performing players.
We have not used the bench wisely especially in the game against the Eels
We are not scoring tries on our wings which is the area you would expect to be scoring but have had some scored against there.
We do not have a half that is a good let alone a great tactical kicker.
We have been exposed in every game on the RHS and we have done nothing about fixing the issue.

Just because a side is winning does not mean it can't be critically analysed or improved.
It should not take losses to be the catalyst for improvement because improvement may very well prevent the losses in the first place.
Why do you think we won 11 premierships in a row?
Simple we were ruthless and played no favourites.

OT, some points I agree with you and some I think is because you have made your mind up based on previous years.

1 - how can we say the best team isn't selected? We are with them training each day. Plus they are winning. It's not about selecting the 17 best individuals, but the best 17.

2 - id agree with you on this one in respect to the eels game, but otherwise if we are winning the bench has been used right.

3 - okay, our wingers haven't scored many tries but yet we have the most points in the comp.

4 - the kicking game does leave a lot to be desired.

5 - I get worried every time a team spreads the ball. So agree with you there too. The key will be to see if the team learns to read opposition attack better and adjust during the game, that would be a mark of Mcgregors coaching (or lack of).

 

[loveoursaints]

Ok Rainman. If Mary is a 6, Hasler is 6.5 & Madge is a 4 then who would you replace Mary with???

I would not replace mary with any of those 3!! No one at this stage.

 

[loveoursaints]

OV.
Idiot. Like i said, we need an 8.5. If you think 6.5 is ENOUGH of an improvement on a 6, you love mediocrity.

 

[BennyV]

2 - id agree with you on this one in respect to the eels game, but otherwise if we are winning the bench has been used right

That's a very short-sighted view, MD. Use of the bench may have been enough to get us by but that doesn't mean it's right. Long minutes for high-work rate guys like Packer, Vaughan and JDB are likely to bite us in the ass as the season wears on and fatigue sets in. If we lose these guys, their backups are far from conditioned to play similar minutes.
We are going to need Jacob Host to step into the starting line and play long minutes when Friz gets called up for SOO, and/or if Thommo gets injured, but he's getting little game time and less still in his best spot on the edge. He should be rotated through NSW Cup to keep the miles in his legs.
And we could bang on all day about our use of Mann. For our 2016 top try scorer to have less than 20mins of game time this year is madness, particularly when players have been having shockers in positions he could improve.

Again, just because it hasn't bitten us yet doesn't mean it's right.

 

[Objective View]

Atm there is no mediocrity - talk to me in September atm no one has a f**king argument

So on this March form, you're anticipating Mary will take the team deep into September?

Straight Shooter

 

[Objective View]

OV.
Idiot. Like i said, we need an 8.5. If you think 6.5 is ENOUGH of an improvement on a 6, you love mediocrity.

And who exactly do you consider 8.5 coaches, whether available or not?

Straight Shooter

 

[MilanDragon]

That's a very short-sighted view, MD. Use of the bench may have been enough to get us by but that doesn't mean it's right. Long minutes for high-work rate guys like Packer, Vaughan and JDB are likely to bite us in the ass as the season wears on and fatigue sets in. If we lose these guys, their backups are far from conditioned to play similar minutes.
We are going to need Jacob Host to step into the starting line and play long minutes when Friz gets called up for SOO, and/or if Thommo gets injured, but he's getting little game time and less still in his best spot on the edge. He should be rotated through NSW Cup to keep the miles in his legs.
And we could bang on all day about our use of Mann. For our 2016 top try scorer to have less than 20mins of game time this year is madness, particularly when players have been having shockers in positions he could improve.

Again, just because it hasn't bitten us yet doesn't mean it's right.

You make some good points there Benny.

But those are more selection problems than use of the bench. If host needs more minutes he should be in NSW cup, the problem is he needs experience at FG but isn't getting enough minutes to be able to step up at origin time.

The way I view the bench is if you replace the name and put in the position so say forward 1,2,3 and utility back it's not too bad.

I do agree it could result in players being burnt out later in the season and that's where that bench rotation becomes crucial.

Much like NBA, NHL and soccer who have Lon seasons you see at the start of the season they play long minutes for their stars but getting closer to playoffs they rest those guys more and we would need to do the same way after round 16. To do that however we have to bank enough points early in the season while we have everyone available.

Does anyone have comparison to how many minutes our forwards play vs other teams' forwards?

 

[Dragonslayer]

You make some good points there Benny.

But those are more selection problems than use of the bench. If host needs more minutes he should be in NSW cup, the problem is he needs experience at FG but isn't getting enough minutes to be able to step up at origin time.

The way I view the bench is if you replace the name and put in the position so say forward 1,2,3 and utility back it's not too bad.

I do agree it could result in players being burnt out later in the season and that's where that bench rotation becomes crucial.

Much like NBA, NHL and soccer who have Lon seasons you see at the start of the season they play long minutes for their stars but getting closer to playoffs they rest those guys more and we would need to do the same way after round 16. To do that however we have to bank enough points early in the season while we have everyone available.

Does anyone have comparison to how many minutes our forwards play vs other teams' forwards?

About on par with most clubs, however, the issue is with young Host IMO. He has only played 104 minutes over the 4 games which is very low for a bench forward.
Interestingly enough, Vaughan has only played 196 mins and Packer 183, LAM 132, JDB 260 and Sims 142, our highest is Thommo 317, so yeah they're pretty fresh and able to produce. With Vaughan for example he averages 49 mins a game so like an opening stint of 25 followed by a closing of 15 is just about right IMO.

some clubs that are struggling for attacking motion the stats are very interesting, for example:

Broncos - Thaiday 342 mins, Maguire 319, Blair 236 and Sims 207
Bulldogs - Jackson 390, Graham 287, Eastwood 258, Tolman 295

Other clubs:
Cowboys - Hess 319, Cooper 411, Taumalolo 205, Asiata 194, Kaufusi 184
Raiders - Papalii 317, Soliola 251, Boyd 158, Paulo 164
Storm - F Kaufusi 320, K Bromich 255, Finucane 244, Glasby 171, NAS 120
Roosters - Cordner 387, Napa 240, JWH 261, Guerra 238

 

[2010]

If there is such thing as an 8.5 coach why would he come to us, we would have to pay mega to attract such coach

 

[mickeylane]

I'm sug

So on this March form, you're anticipating Mary will take the team deep into September?

Straight Shooter

im suggesting we reserve judgement on the team until then - I can't believe we are hammering the team and we are sitting 2nd on the table !