Sack mcgregor

[The Doc]

Not to get bogged down in the 'I'm a better fan' contest, but the above section, particularly that quoted, is rubbish dude. For starters, fans flocking away can be attributed directly to the decisions of our management. Secondly, the well-run clubs (off the field) don't get their money from fans, but from commercial acumen in their boardroom and business models developed this century!
For example, Roosters/Manly with their business partnership, Souffs with their ownership model, Warriors/Broncos through utilising their location (although they have some unfair advantages), Raiders and Sharks through their property development processes, Dogs through their leagues-club funding model, and so on. We are doing better than Tigpies in this regard, and that probably about it (Knights and Titans are pretty shoddy but they are on the repair, admittedly through force).

Don't buy into the clubs 'blame everyone else' governance structure, they alone are responsible for our financial situation through their poor footy-related decisions and lack of business nous to do what is best for the club.

I fully understand that, and to emphasis im not someone thats "all for management".
But, to a small degree, fans walking away from the club... and not renewing memberships etc... that does also effect the club.
Does it get the club back into profits? F#ck no... but if 5000 member dont renew at $100 plus... that alone is half a mill.
I understand the figures reported...
My point isnt to stick up for management...
My point is this... where are all the oust doust and board must go rallys and banners?
They only come out when we are losing.... so the board and CEO is to blame for loses?
Then why arent they praised for thr wins?
Oh, because we had 5 bad years... but before that how many good years did we have?
Again... the bullshit management has dished up the last 5 years and bad decisions etc... unacceptable.
But now that things are going well... no one protests.
And the fans on here turn a good situation... i.e the team winning and leading the comp... into negativity over managements decisions over the last 5 years.
Ruin it for us fans enjoying some much due success by being internet heroes.... why dont they just go march and protest?
Either way... im smiling ear to ear and aint no negative people gunna take that away from me.

 

[since77]

Hahaha bunch of keyboard sooks.
No one is denying shits all f#cked up at management level... but thats no reason to bag the team.
Some of us are happy our team is winning and coming first.

Did I bag the team? Pretty sure I even said its great to be running first - I doubt even the most deluded fan would have expected us to top the table after 6 rounds. The post of yours I responded to though was ignorant and naive babble.

I run businesses of my own - and I can tell you that incompetent management never learns from it mistakes nor does it ever have success as a result of it's own strategy. Nor are they consistent in their success. Any success Doust & Co is having now is the result of dumb luck and the planets briefly aligning for them. That's exactly why some of us keyboard sooks are waiting for the seemingly inevitable re-appointment of Mc Gregor as long term coach. And that's when history will start repeating itself.

 

[The Doc]

That's exactly why some of us keyboard sooks are waiting for the seemingly inevitable re-appointment of Mc Gregor as long term coach. And that's when history will start repeating itself.

Says who? We may go back to bad old days... win 8 lose 18... but we may not.
You guys sit here waiting for the team to fail.
You guys are expecting the team to fail.
Even when they are busting there asses and leading the comp, you expect them to fail.
You say you ran businesses... mate iv had a successfull business for the last 11 years.
Iv had a year here and there where the profits werent as high as other years... that doesnt mean i sit on my hands while the going is good waiting for a bad year!!!
Its business 101 my friend, after every sunshine there will be rain...
And after every rainfall there will be sunshine...
You dont lock yourself indoors during summer because it only lasts 3 months!
You get out there and enjoy the sun while its shining!
Thats all there is to it.
At the moment the sun is shining for the mighty red V.... and im out here getting my tan on!!!!

 

[Objective View]

Oh, because we had 5 bad years... but before that how many good years did we have?

1979 and 2010, that's how many.

What a muppet.

Straight Shooter

 

[dragonssamy61]

1979 and 2010, that's how many.

What a muppet.

Straight Shooter

You say he a muppet just because he doesn't whinge and bitch like you do.
You are so predictable whine whine fchen whine.
Ffs

 

[Crush]

1979 and 2010, that's how many.

What a muppet.

Straight Shooter

I think I understand now, sorry it took me a while, I am not as smart as some on here.
So you measure success purely on premierships won. Runners up, going deep into the finals means nothing to you. Is that what you mean by mediocrity?
I am a bit different. Although ofcourse the premiership is the ultimate goal for all teams I still think playing finals is being successful. The 90s we played in 4 grand finals, I consider those years very successful.
Ok, enough said, we just have different ideas of success and mediocrity. Understood.

 

[Life's Good]

I fully understand that, and to emphasis im not someone thats "all for management".
But, to a small degree, fans walking away from the club... and not renewing memberships etc... that does also effect the club.
Does it get the club back into profits? F#ck no... but if 5000 member dont renew at $100 plus... that alone is half a mill.
.

Not renewing membership is akin to not returning to your favourite restaurant because the service levels dropped or they served you a poor meal. In my case I was a Kogarah season ticket holder for 25 years(apart from 2008 when they played out of ANZ)and the last few years of poor performance led me to say enough of being served a sh*t sandwich. That DOESNT mean I still dont go to the games, buy merchandise etc. It just means that it is/was my protest against an incompetent organisation who were happily going about their business without any fear of consequence. Do I regret not renewing? No. Why?? Because in some small part this was an indicator the club took note of and decided 'hey, we need to fix things'. And they have set about doing that which is to be applauded. As far as I am concerned the last 5 years are not miraculously forgotten on the back of performances which should be the minimum expectation.

 

[The Doc]

1979 and 2010, that's how many.

What a muppet.

Straight Shooter

Ohhhhh, right... i get it now.
Sorry dude...
When your comparing other coaches to mary, the number of "finals appearances" is relevant.
Same rule for if a club is run successfully or not.
Thats an indicator of another teams success.
But for the dragons, only premierships count towards if we are sucessfull or not.
Righteo.... now im with you! Now i get it!
Just talk shit and spin shit to suit my negative attitude.
Rules for one, and then when you want to criticise someone or something, just change whats expected and make shit up.
Nice theory on how to live your life.
Well done... your mrs must be so happy....
"Hey objective spew, what would you like for dinner"?
"Fish"
Mrs objective spew cooks fish.
Objective Spew: "why the f#ck would you cook fish? Cant you cook anything else? I asked for fish 20 minutes ago, now i want steak, read my mind next time woman"!!!!
Lol Good theory on life dude... keep up the stupidity i mean good work

 

[The Doc]

Not renewing membership is akin to not returning to your favourite restaurant because the service levels dropped or they served you a poor meal. In my case I was a Kogarah season ticket holder for 25 years(apart from 2008 when they played out of ANZ)and the last few years of poor performance led me to say enough of being served a sh*t sandwich. That DOESNT mean I still dont go to the games, buy merchandise etc. It just means that it is/was my protest against an incompetent organisation who were happily going about their business without any fear of consequence. Do I regret not renewing? No. Why?? Because in some small part this was an indicator the club took note of and decided 'hey, we need to fix things'. And they have set about doing that which is to be applauded. As far as I am concerned the last 5 years are not miraculously forgotten on the back of performances which should be the minimum expectation.

I understand that. Im not saying that members should buy memberships if they arent happy.
All i meant was that its revenue from the club that is taken away.
It does count towards minimising the loss margin.
Lets hope we, as a club, as a united fan base, dont have to resort to these measures again.
Lets hope the club gets itself back into a position where we dont have to boycott memberships, attending games etc to get a message across.
Things are improving at the moment, lets hope they keep on improving.

 

[Life's Good]

My take on this(which I have posted earlier in agreement with plenty of others)is that we shouldn't resign Mary until we see how they go when the inevitable losses come. Sure, the coaches available to choose from are pretty thin but that also applies to most clubs being settled so the options for Mary are thin. It may end up as a marriage of convenience but that's not to say there won't be any love.

 

[Gareth67]

Sure, the coaches available to choose from are pretty thin but that also applies to most clubs being settled

That is a good point , as it takes only one decent coach to come onto the market.

Although at this time the chances for that occurring seem unlikely , never the less , one may become available .

With our current roster ( with a few tweaks here and there ) the Dragons could be looked upon as a viable option for any prospective coach .We could find ourselves in the box seat to secure such a coach's services .

But only if the board decides to play safe and wait before renewing Mary's contract . As I am sure , that should the wheels fall of the ' 2017 trolley ' , there will be hell pay !

 

[TheOnlyTeam]

My only concern over an extension for Mary is "what is really behind the transformation in the team's performance so far"? What if we sign him up only to find that someone in the background is in his ear ( and they decide to leave). The transformation is across several areas eg. Performance, skill levels, culture. I have a feeling that it is more then Mary alone responsible for the great changes.

 

[BennyV]

I fully understand that, and to emphasis im not someone thats "all for management".
But, to a small degree, fans walking away from the club... and not renewing memberships etc... that does also effect the club.
Does it get the club back into profits? F#ck no... but if 5000 member dont renew at $100 plus... that alone is half a mill.
I understand the figures reported...
My point isnt to stick up for management...
My point is this... where are all the oust doust and board must go rallys and banners?
They only come out when we are losing.... so the board and CEO is to blame for loses?
Then why arent they praised for thr wins?
Oh, because we had 5 bad years... but before that how many good years did we have?
Again... the bullshit management has dished up the last 5 years and bad decisions etc... unacceptable.
But now that things are going well... no one protests.
And the fans on here turn a good situation... i.e the team winning and leading the comp... into negativity over managements decisions over the last 5 years.
Ruin it for us fans enjoying some much due success by being internet heroes.... why dont they just go march and protest?
Either way... im smiling ear to ear and aint no negative people gunna take that away from me.

You tripped over yourself there hombre...
On one hand, you ask where all the 'oust doust' and whinging about management is when we are winning...then a few sentences later you complain about people turning a good situation bad because we are complaining about management?

Which is it? Are we whinging too much or not enough?!

 

[The Doc]

Wow... i love how you jump on and try make out im contradicting myself.
Are you (seeing as you nominated yourself by saying "we") whinging enough or not?
Well, thats irrelevant. What is relevant though is the fact that you all come on here and sook and whinge about management while the team is winning... you all bore the f**k out of us who are enjoying watching our team win, with your constant whinging about management and the board... yet none of you all will go out and do anything about it.
Why dont you all go out and resume holding up the childcare made oust doust banner?
Why arent you all (all 8) out there in front of the club protesting no more?
Isnt it as bad now as it was then?
Yes? Go do something about it?
No? Then shut the f#ck up about it!!
Hahaha its not rocket science!
So, in essence, to put it as simple as possible... why dont you all either do something about it besides whinging on a forum... or just stfu and drop it.
A bunch of whinging little f#cks, teams coming first and kicking ass and you all still sook.
Hahahaha the once proud dragon army is slowly getting known as the whinging littlr bitches.

 

[Life's Good]

Wow... i love how you jump on and try make out im contradicting myself.
Are you (seeing as you nominated yourself by saying "we") whinging enough or not?
Well, thats irrelevant. What is relevant though is the fact that you all come on here and sook and whinge about management while the team is winning... you all bore the f**k out of us who are enjoying watching our team win, with your constant whinging about management and the board... yet none of you all will go out and do anything about it.
Why dont you all go out and resume holding up the childcare made oust doust banner?
Why arent you all (all 8) out there in front of the club protesting no more?
Isnt it as bad now as it was then?
Yes? Go do something about it?
No? Then shut the f#ck up about it!!
Hahaha its not rocket science!
So, in essence, to put it as simple as possible... why dont you all either do something about it besides whinging on a forum... or just stfu and drop it.
A bunch of whinging little f#cks, teams coming first and kicking ass and you all still sook.
Hahahaha the once proud dragon army is slowly getting known as the whinging littlr bitches.

Don't take it the wrong way Mr Doust.

 

[Old Timer]

Interesting how the defence of bad years is couched as being a supporter and highlighting bad performance and demanding change is being seen as being negative.
The question here is, would have we arrived at this point without people "whinging and protesting" or would more of the same have been dished up?
If the answer is that "whinging and whining' was necessary to effect change then surely the management is highly questionable for not being proactive and for their lack of foresight and planning?
Yes the sun is good on our backs at the moment but to some degree it is only healing the wounds form the previous floggings we received and we need to make sure we don't throw salt onto the wounds while the healing process takes place.
If we are the real deal and Mary has turned the corner and taken the team with him that is fantastic but as he said, he was involved in all sorts of other distractions and non coaching issues so who let that happen and do they have questions to answer because perhaps we could have been here a fair bit earlier?

 

[since77]

You say you ran businesses... mate iv had a successfull business for the last 11 years.
Iv had a year here and there where the profits werent as high as other years... that doesnt mean i sit on my hands while the going is good waiting for a bad year!!!
Its business 101 my friend, after every sunshine there will be rain...
And after every rainfall there will be sunshine...

Wow. If that's your philosophy on business then you'll have no problem getting a job at the Dragons - that's exactly the way the club has been run for the last decade.

 

[Life's Good]

Wow. If that's your philosophy on business then you'll have no problem getting a job at the Dragons - that's exactly the way the club has been run for the last decade.

Wish I could have double liked this post

 

[cussy]

My only concern over an extension for Mary is "what is really behind the transformation in the team's performance so far"? What if we sign him up only to find that someone in the background is in his ear ( and they decide to leave). The transformation is across several areas eg. Performance, skill levels, culture. I have a feeling that it is more then Mary alone responsible for the great changes.

You have a point BUT- why is it when we lose it's the coaches fault, when we win it's not the coaches doing? I don't understand that. Give credit where it is due is all I am saying? Changing team structures etc is at least a 4-5 year plan.

 

[Coffs dragon]

At this point in the season, Mary has not just dodged a bullet but more a missile targeted in his direction. He has deservedly earnt a stay of execution! Time now to wait and see what unfolds based on all the facts & results.