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Warabrook saint

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His excuses

Initially JDB was not an excuse then we loose two games now JDB is an excuse

Fritz’s out injured

Korbin “ injured “

We have Norman playing 5/8 as Gaz is leaving - 2020
( forget about 2019 )

Dufty to come on when the opposition forwards are tired ( when actually we are tired ) Mary totally contradicts himself here , as he said we are three “ middle “ forwards short so our new forwards are getting tired

Looking at another forward - that’s Millward job - even though when we were winning early last year he said he finally has the squad he wants

Salary cap issue due to JDB / but then 360 pointed out we have only 29 players on the books

He never once mentioned - centres or wings

He needs to man up , leave
, and go to Super League and learn how to coach and how to speak

It was interesting that they kept showing his winnning percentage on the screen
49.6% ( from memory )

They should of shown his loosing %
50.4% !!!!!
He'll never learn how to coach or speak....because a fool cannot be educated
 

71saintsimon

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The 360 interview just makes me so mad
He just spins everything
Excuse after excuse
He is never accountable
Get rid of him now
McGregor is not a qualified coach he was originally hired as a fill in when price got the sack , how his lasted 6 yrs is beyond belief and it only proves that there are internal politics that have protected him from the sack , the dragons have spent millions on half’s and a spine during this time , Dugan , Marshall ,Widdop , hunt , Norman and his failed to deliver , no more excuses he has to go , his week in week out idea of know change same team same results is diabolical
 

Warabrook saint

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McGregor is not a qualified coach he was originally hired as a fill in when price got the sack , how his lasted 6 yrs is beyond belief and it only proves that there are internal politics that have protected him from the sack , the dragons have spent millions on half’s and a spine during this time , Dugan , Marshall ,Widdop , hunt , Norman and his failed to deliver , no more excuses he has to go , his week in week out idea of know change same team same results is diabolical
Spent millions on players to be coached by a park specialist :joy:
 

rednwhites

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We don't need perfection. Supporting rugby league is supposed to be enjoyable, inspirational. All this passion we have should be used for good not whinging, but at what point does patience give way to blind ignorance? As I said earlier, after 5 years McGregor has no supporters left in the stands. He uses his charm and loyalties to put the board and players under a spell. Now that is obviously beginning to evaporate just a little. Just give us a coach and a team that best represents this mighty club.
 

LINESPEED

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We just need to cop it and get smacked by the Broncos, Knights and beaten by the Dogs. By then the JDB excuse would have worn out and we can start building for a brighter future. Short term pain for long term gain.


Yep, I thought having a well coached & recruited roster of 30 was meant to cover all contingencies - mainly injury related & SOO?

So the excuses don’t really wash if the Club’s done its preparation FMD

And floundering Waterboy HAS the roster he really wants FFS?

(Passengers & favourites included)
 
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LINESPEED

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Vote 1 'Rednwhites' for PM.

Birdie & Jimmy vs The Chosen Ones - can’t effin wait.

It’ll be hallelujah down the right right side - that kinda reminds me of a cartoon in the ‘50’s where the character would repeat:

“which way did he go, which way did he go?”

( the look Aitken’s always got on his nonplussed face as the attack streams by ...
lol, lol & lol)

Ps
Can’t wait for the post sacking presser when Waterboy tears up at the injustice of it all - still ranting excuses about the end of MY BRILLIANT CAREER
 
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getsmarty

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The numbers behind the Dragons late season fades
The big question finally answered for Red V fans.

Matthew Fairhall

CONTRIBUTOR
March 26, 2019 - 2:27 pm
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MUDGEE, AUSTRALIA - MARCH 02: Gareth Widdop of the Dragons speaks to his team after a Rabbitohs try during the NRL Trial match, which is the Charity Shield match between the South Sydney Rabbitohs and the St George Illawarra Dragons at Glen Willow Stadium on March 02, 2019 in Mudgee, Australia. (Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

For St George Illawarra fans, the late-season fade has become the norm.

Seeing promising campaigns derailed in 2016 where they lost 7 of their last 9, 2017 where the Red V was Top Four midway through the year only to crash out and miss the finals by a single win and 2018, where they fell from the top of the ladder in Round 17 to seventh by season’s end, has crushed the hearts of the faithful.


Surely the Dragons are doomed to repeat this pattern in 2019, right? Not if Scoop gets his way.

If Coach Paul McGregor can learn the error of his ways by fixing the Dragons rotations, the Dragons could have the firepower to finish top four.

2019 Average Substitution times
How do the Dragons fare with their in-game substitutions? Is this where they are going wrong? The table below compares the Dragons against last season’s top sides in terms of which minute they made their substitutions on average.


Team 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th
Dragons
21 26 35 49 55 60 69 74
Roosters 25 28 36 53 59 63 68 75
Storm 20 26 33 50 56 62 68 74
Rabbitohs 17 25 38 51 56 63 69 73
Sharks 21 28 38 50 55 61 67 73
Cowboys 22 26 33 45 54 58 61 67



The data shows the Dragons right there with the best teams in the timing of their substitutions, which can always be affected by injuries but over the course of the season shows a very accurate reflection of the rotation plan. This is not causing the Red V’s late-season fades. What about the number of minutes they are riding their forwards then? Read on to find out.

Want to know how the rest of the teams fare with their substitutions? Check out this article by Alicia Newton over at NRL.com for more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/01/25/stat-attack-how-your-club-uses-the-interchange/

Workhorse forwards
Minutes played by the forwards in 2018
Let’s look at the split of minutes across the forwards and see if this is where it all went wrong.

Player Games Minutes Minutes Per Game (MPG) % of possible game time
T. Sims
23 1,770 76.95 96.19%
C. McInnes
24 1,779 74.12 92.65%
T. Frizell
21 1,480 70.47 88.09%
J. De Belin
23 1,330 57.82 72.28%
J. Graham
24 1,166 48.58 60.72%
P. Vaughn
19 921 48.47 60.59%
L. Leuilua
15 609 40.60 50.75%
L. Ah Mau
23 906 39.39 49.23%
J. Latimore
23 678 29.47 36.84%
J. Host
6 124 20.66 25.83%
B. Lawrie
8 155 19.37 24.21%
H. Sele
4 76 19.0 23.75%
Note: McInnes had an outlier 57-minute game in round 24. Vaughn played just 11 minutes in round 21 (inj.).

The issue here is the spread of minutes among the forwards. Sele (23.75%), Lawrie (24.21%), Host (25.83%) and Latimore (36.84%) appear underused. Let’s compare this with the regular bench forwards for the Storm.

Player Games Minutes Average minutes % of possible game time
F. Kaufusi
18 1,421 78.94 98.68%
C. Smith
23 1,763 76.65 95.81%
R. Hoffman
20 1,347 67.35 84.18%
D. Finucane
15 816 54.40 68.00%
J. Stimson
21 1,104 52.57 65.71%
J.Bromwich
17 800 47.05 58.82%
N. Asofa-Solomona
22 929 42.22 52.78%
T. Glasby
21 880 41.90 52.38%
K. Bromwich
22 853 38.77 48.46%
C. Welch
23 816 35.47 44.34%
B.Smith
15 416 27.73 34.66%
S. Kasiano
13 318 24.46 30.57%
H. Grant
1 23 23.00 28.75%
T.Kamikamica
5 90 18.00 22.50%
P. Kaufusi
2 31 15.50 19.37%
A.Vete
1 15 15.00 18.75%
SEE ALSO: Why as a Rooster, I want the club to relocate


In stark contrast to the Dragons interchange forwards, the Storm show plenty of faith in their regular bench players. Kenny Bromwich (48.46%), Welch (35.47%), Asofa-Solomona (42.22%) and even noted short burst weapon Sam Kasiano (30.57%) played extensive minutes in 2018. The Dragons also used 4 fewer forwards than Storm on the season. This is where the Dragons must improve in 2019 to match it with NRL’s top tier sides, spreading the minutes across their depth.

Minute allocation
First 12 games vs. last 12 games
Let’s split the season in half using the Dragons round 13 bye as the divider and see if there is a change in the minutes for the pack from the first half to the second half.

Player 1st 12 Games Last 12 games Difference
J. Stimson
44.66 58.50 +13.84
T. Glasby 37.70 45.72 +8.02
B.Smith 24.66 32.33 +7.67
J.Bromwich 45.87 48.11 +2.24
K. Bromwich 37.80 39.58 +1.78
N. Asofa-Solomona 41.58 43.00 +1.42
F. Kaufusi 78.33 79.55 +1.22
C. Welch 36.36 34.66 -1.70
C. Smith 78.54 74.91 -3.63
D. Finucane 56.25 52.28 -3.97
S. Kasiano 25.09 21.00 -4.09
R. Hoffman 76.63 56.00 -20.63
T.Kamikamica N/A 18.00 N/A
P. Kaufusi N/A 15.50 N/A
A.Vete 0.00 15.00 N/A
H. Grant 23.00 N/A N/A
Note: Harry Grant played in Rd.11 as a backup Hooker in Cam Smith’s absence. Hoffman’s 2nd half was marred by 3 games with shorter minutes due to injury or return from injury (Rd. 25).

Player 1st 12 Games MPG Last 12 games MPG Difference
L. Leuilua
18.00 51.90 +33.90
H. Sele 14.66 32.00 +17.34
J. Host 6.00 20.66 +14.66
B. Lawrie 10.50 22.33 +11.83
L. Ah Mau 36.25 42.81 +6.56
J. Latimore 27.81 31.00 +3.19
T. Sims 75.75 78.27 +2.52
J. De Belin 56.83 58.90 +2.07
J. Graham 48.33 48.83 +0.50
C. McInnes 77.66 77.25 -0.41
P. Vaughn 51.08 44.00 -7.08
T. Frizell 74.41 65.22 -9.19


As we see Leilua, Lawrie, Host Ah Mau and Sele (1 2nd half game) increased their minutes significantly, while Vaughn (before injury) and Frizell saw significant decreases in their minutes. Rather than increasing the minutes of their key forwards in the key games before the finals, the Dragons were reducing them likely due to the fatigue from the heavy workload in the early season (We will ignore the ridiculous experiment with Jason Nightingale in the forwards, emergency or not).

Comparison of the predominately interchange Forward playing time
Dragons Percentage of possible game time Storm Percentage of possible game time
Ah Mau 49.23% Asofa-Solomona 52.78%
Host 25.80% K. Bromwich 48.46%
Latimore 36.84% Welch 44.34%
Lawrie 24.21% Kasiano 30.57%
Average 34.02% Average 44.03%

The Dragons often carried a utility, such as Kurt Mann, as their 4th interchange player in 2018 which along with putting more minutes on the forwards also makes comparison a somewhat inexact science. But in the instances where the Dragons would carry four forwards, as the Storm typically do, we see they occupy 9.99% less playing time that their Storm counterparts (worse when Kasiano is replaced by a more traditional forward like Stimson). This is yet more wear and tear being placed on the Dragons forwards and another contributing factor to their late-season fades.





https://www.zerotackle.com/the-numbers-behind-the-dragons-late-season-fades-41983/
 

getsmarty

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Part 2

Left on the bench…
Depth in the forwards was a key factor for each of the Top Four teams of 2018. Faith in the interchange forwards proved to be just as important and exactly where the Red-V went wrong. The Dragons had a staggering 4 instances where a Forward never left the bench (Leilua Rd.2, Sele Rd.7, Lawrie Rd.11, Host Rd.14). In addition, there were four instances where a Forward played less than 10 minutes. The chart below shows the comparison with 2018’s Top Four. These additional minutes, tackles, hit-ups and more took a toll on the Dragons forwards and this, Scoop believes, is the primary reason for the Dragons late-season fades.

Team Games with a player who played Zero Minutes Games with a player who played less than 10 minutes
Dragons
4 4
Sharks 1 1
Rabbitohs
4
Storm
5
Roosters

Note: Kurt Baptiste had one zero minute and three less than 10 minutes games as the reserve Hooker for the Tri-Colours, but this is not included as we are looking at the forward rotations. Jai Field had one for the Dragons in Rd. 25 too, but also not relevant to our focus.

Can the Dragons address this glaring issue? Time will tell. With Ah Mau now a Warrior, Sele projected to start for Kikau at the Panthers and De Belin stood down (for now), it will take a massive leap of faith by Coach McGregor to trust in his interchange forwards. The Top Four have provided the template and it’s time for the Dragons to turn to newcomer Korbin Sims along with holdovers Blake Lawrie, Jacob Host and the enigmatic Luciano Leilua to deliver quality minutes from the bench and preserve their lethal starting pack for late in the season and end the run of late-season slides.

To experiment with building your own perfect Dragons side check out Zero Tackle’s excellent team builder at: https://www.zerotackle.com/rugby-league/pick-your-team/

So get busy Dragons fans! Let Coach McGregor know that Scoop has figured it out and now he can finally take the Red V to the promised land. Well, that and sorting out the whole Hunt / Norman / Widdop troika, but let’s just fix the late-season fades first.

Agree or Disagree? Got another theory? Let’s hear it in the comments. Got a theory on another team you want to be tested? Drop me a line and don’t forget to check out more of Scoop’s in-depth analysis of the numbers at: https://fairhallmatt.wixsite.com/scoop-sportsanalysis

Trust in the data!
 

SEAT 1A

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McGregor is not a qualified coach he was originally hired as a fill in when price got the sack , how his lasted 6 yrs is beyond belief and it only proves that there are internal politics that have protected him from the sack , the dragons have spent millions on half’s and a spine during this time , Dugan , Marshall ,Widdop , hunt , Norman and his failed to deliver , no more excuses he has to go , his week in week out idea of know change same team same results is diabolical


We should have finished higher in the two last regular seasons.

The players did there bit but Mary didn't have the ability and I have never heard Mary stating what he will do to improve the team. It's all "we and "them" not "I will".... .

This year again, the players doing their best however, Mary's abilities are there for everyone to see and there is more excuses.

Mary flat out doesn't listen to anyone and it will be his downfall as the club can't sit on their hands after BNE, Newcastle and the Dogs give it to us and there is nowhere to hide.

What's JD doing.
 

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